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09-Aug-2012, 12:11 AM #1
Repeatedly can't defragment many files on C drive.
I have WInXP. It has failed to defragment many files on the C drive for some time now, months. Can anything be done? Can the files just be deleted? I think it is leading to performance problems, as if too many Tabs are open in Chrome (especially with Facebook or other sites using Shockwave) the system really bogs down and stays down until reboot. The defragmenter always says immediately after defragmenting, if an "analysis" is done, to defragment the HDD. There's also many "REGISTRY" lines which are fragmented which it seems to not correct. Following is the last report...


Volume Windows XP (C
Volume size = 18.64 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 16.52 GB
Free space = 2.11 GB
Percent free space = 11 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 14 %
File fragmentation = 23 %
Free space fragmentation = 5 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 66,031
Average file size = 514 KB
Total fragmented files = 248
Total excess fragments = 24,665
Average fragments per file = 1.37

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 9,205
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 95 MB
MFT record count = 75,878
Percent MFT in use = 77 %
Total MFT fragments = 4

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Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
590 13 MB \WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temp\Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0-KB2633880_20120522_183008931-Msi0.txt
484 13 MB \WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temp\Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0-KB2518864_20120522_183423527-Msi0.txt
340 13 MB \WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temp\Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0-KB2518864_20120523_071859374-Msi0.txt
242 15 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\{26A24AE4-039D-4CA4-87B4-2F83216033FF}\sp1033.MST
548 35 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1851\A0289051.dll
486 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1853\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
492 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1854\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
451 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1857\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
456 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1844\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
415 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1859\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
388 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1858\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
480 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1855\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
522 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1848\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
436 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1847\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
444 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1849\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
480 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1850\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
448 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1839\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
513 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1851\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
424 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1840\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
462 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1852\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
434 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1842\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
520 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1856\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
393 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1841\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
472 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1845\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
472 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1843\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
487 37 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{5B942C52-3EC6-4393-ADAF-2DA421A20CCE}\RP1846\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOFTWARE
770 43 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Definition Updates\{0AE93540-5E63-4BDA-B6E0-187A6F73BB10}\mpavbase.vdm
649 50 MB \Program Files\Java\jre7\lib\rt.jar
240 55 MB \WINDOWS\system32\MRT.exe
382 108 MB \Program Files\Google\Chrome\Application\21.0.1180.60\Installer\chrome.7z
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09-Aug-2012, 10:20 AM #2
Unintentioned smiley face there.
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09-Aug-2012, 12:49 PM #3
It's normal for certain files to be in use and not be able to defragment them. They do not cause any problems. In modern PC's defraging a system has been discovered to have little gains for performance.

Post your system specs, you can use the TSG System Information Utility to get them: http://library.techguy.org/wiki/TSG_Valuable_links
You should also add them to your profile.

You may also need a software cleanup.
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20-Aug-2012, 11:43 AM #4
Thanks for the response. Here's a copy from TSG SysInfo...

Tech Support Guy System Info Utility version 1.0.0.1
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3, 32 bit
Processor: Intel Pentium III processor, x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 6
Processor Count: 1
RAM: 511 Mb
Graphics Card: NVIDIA RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro , 16 Mb
Hard Drives: C: Total - 19084 MB, Free - 1615 MB; D: Total - 1907726 MB, Free - 551521 MB; E: Total - 95605 MB, Free - 35621 MB;
Motherboard: Compaq, 0684h, , X123DYSZA008
Antivirus: Microsoft Security Essentials, Updated: Yes, On-Demand Scanner: Enabled
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20-Aug-2012, 12:31 PM #5
That's an ancient computer, it simply will be slow with it having a Pentium III processor and only 512MB of RAM.
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20-Aug-2012, 12:50 PM #6
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I have WInXP. I think it is leading to performance problems, as if too many Tabs are open in Chrome (especially with Facebook or other sites using Shockwave) the system really bogs down and stays down until reboot.
That's to be expected when you consider how you're using that computer and the wimpy hardware specs that it has.

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Advise us what's listed in the Computer: section at the bottom of the "General" tab - exactly as you see it there.

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20-Aug-2012, 02:52 PM #7
I'm using Firefox now and the performance is much better. Less hangups. But still why can't I defrag those files?

In My Computer, it says...
Compaq EVO
Intel Pentium III processor
998 MHz, 512 MB of RAM

Silver sticker has...
ENL/P1.0/20E/6/256cvn US
Compaq Deskpro EN series Slim Desktop version
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/q.../10653_na.html
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20-Aug-2012, 03:31 PM #8
512 MB of RAM is the maximum amount that it supports(which it already has), so there's no option to add more.

Frequent defragging of the hard drive is NOT needed, and it adds wear and stress on it, so stop doing it so often. Once a month is sufficient.

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20-Aug-2012, 05:19 PM #9
Have you run the Disk Cleanup tool and are there any programs that you don't use very often that you could uninstall? The defragmentation process involves moving files temporarily to another part of the disk before moving them back to their 'correct' location later, and I read somewhere that the Windows defragmenter requires 15% free space to work properly and you have only 11% free.

I can't find any official MS documentation to confirm that 15% figure but, if it is correct, it may be why defragmentation doesn't seem to finish properly (unless there are other problems with the hard drive).

As has already been mentioned, you are unlikely to see much, if any, improvement in performance, even if you are able to successfully complete the defrag.
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Ok, anything else I should do?
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