[DudleyDoRite]

nice simple question, but I couldnt find the answer myself. MSIE has stopped supporting macOS as of dec 31, 05. Safari doesnt' seem to support my OS, a G-3-333 /160 MB Ram, 6.4 MB HD. My macOS is 9.22. What is the popular Mac browser? yeah that's right, I'm new to Mac's, bought this old G-3 to find out what Macs are all about.

[VegasACF]

Just because Microsoft is no longer updating Internet Explorer doesn't mean it won't still work. Apple quit updating OS 9.x a long time ago, but yet you're still using it.

IE 5.0 was installed by default when OS 9.x was installed on a machine, so that would probably be the thing to use.

I applaud your willingness "to find out what Macs are all about," but you should not judge your experience by a system that was (largely) made obsolete on March 24, 2001, when OS X was released (bugs notwithstanding). That's right. That system you're using is about five years old. That's a lifetime in terms of computer hardware, let alone software.

Don't get me wrong. I've got many tens of thousands of dollars invested in Pro Tools TDM hard/software (high-end audio recording/editing gear) that will not run on anything newer than OS 9.2 and would cost many tens of thousands more to update, so I've got one foot firmly in the old school and one foot firmly in the latest and greatest Apple has to offer. I know OS 9 like the back of my hand. But OS X is truly a beautiful thing to behold and use.

I've got three OS X machines and two OS 9.x machines, and they're all running happily together on the same network (along with a couple of Windows boxes, to boot). I know both, I use both. I just want to make sure you're aware that the impression you get is not an accurate picture of the state of things today.

[maccrazy]

I'm new to Mac's, bought this old G-3 to find out what Macs are all about.

You can't really find out what Macs are about with such an old Mac. Current Macs run Mac OS X 10.4 which is a completely new operating system. While Mac OS 9 is a good and stable system, it doesn't represent the modern Mac OS X 99.9% of people are using.

[VegasACF]

Is there an echo in here? ...echo in here? ...in here? ...here?

[DudleyDoRite]

Thank you for the replies, I was looking to update the browser because a chat site I go to does not allow IE in, not even the latest, or windows etc. He recommended firefox. I can't use that one. I downloaded and installed the latest Opera, but it works really bad. slow, windows out of place.
I'm told that the worse people to convert to Macs are windows users, and I guess that applies to me as I have lots of trouble doing simple tasks, such as changing default home page, etc. I'll just keep hacking at this thing. I don't see myself investing the money to get a current apple machine, but in the meanwhile, I find this very interesting. btw, you mac people do seem very militant, I dont mean that as insulting.

[ThreeDee912]

OS 9.2.2 is a very old operating system. You can upgrade that G3 to 10.3 by getting it off eBay or something.

If you want to stick with OS 9 (which hasn't been updated in about 6 years), then i recommend iCab, as it's probably the only browser still updated for OS9.

http://www.icab.de/dl.php - iCab download page

(and btw, in OS X, it's MUCH easier to change settings and stuff.)

Safari is only for Mac OS 10.2 and up

[D0C_Hol1d@y]

keep your OS the way it is in that machine. Keep using IE also it is the best for your OS. If you upgrade that to OS X it will be slow as a dog. If you can still work on it, do it.

[MSM Hobbes]

Originally Posted by DudleyDoRite

Thank you for the replies, I was looking to update the browser because a chat site I go to does not allow IE in, not even the latest, or windows etc. He recommended firefox. I can't use that one. I downloaded and installed the latest Opera, but it works really bad. slow, windows out of place.
I'm told that the worse people to convert to Macs are windows users, and I guess that applies to me as I have lots of trouble doing simple tasks, such as changing default home page, etc. I'll just keep hacking at this thing. I don't see myself investing the money to get a current apple machine, but in the meanwhile, I find this very interesting. btw, you mac people do seem very militant, I dont mean that as insulting.

NO!!! Surely you are jesting!!!






Seriously, maybe just a little bit more than just a tad, I guess you could describe it as 'militant'... as we're quite loyal, we like the way the system, the environment of Macintosh "feels", warm and friendly, and Apple users are usually finding themselves on the defensive side by inaccurate and/or spiteful thoughts.

Like the Marines, the proud and the few...


As to your question, do you have all the other basics, such as memory, etc., to full capacity? Are you on DSL or??? I understand that the site you are trying to get in does not welcome IE, but Fx is not supported for your OS,a nd Opera is mighty slow... and, you just bought this classic machine to discover this brave new world... well, one option, would be to play w/ that computer, discover if really like Apple, and then acquire a Mac mini or some other newer Apple for relatively cheaper $$$ - try the Apple store, look at refurbished models, is one idea too. Sorry can't help on the main problem you are having. But, seriously, try a newer Apple, and you won't regret the journey.

[jiml8]

Why would a site not welcome IE???

Talk about militant.

Now, refusing to use any IE only extensions is only sensible. But block the browser?

Of course, that can be fixed. Just run the Junkbuster proxy or its descendant, Privoxy, on you machine and have the proxy tell the internet your machine is something it isn't.

For a long time, when I had to browse using IE and windows (back in the old days) I had junkbuster set to tell the world I was using a 68000 powered Mac Classic even though it was a dual P-II Wintel system running Windows NT.

[DoorGah]

Hello,
I believe there is a final update from MS... www.mactopia.com. Me thinks the reason of hostility is MS. They have done what they can to disrupt the ease of Mac use. Mac people have been accused of having an attitude from time to time-)

You'll need/desire more RAM if going to OS X but would be small investment. Make sure RAM speed is the same (PC-100 or 66 etc) or replace it all with same.. I don't recommend dual speed RAM, 100/133 etc. You should clean up, even reformat*, your hard drive for OS X too. You will have to if you have a Beige Mac unless already done (two partitions).

OS 9.1 is plenty good to get a feel for Macs; don't stop there though.
Good Luck

* assume you have OS to put back in and have backed up if needed...

[cambridgecom]

Oh I don't know if it's an attitude thing. More like Microsoft apps have a habit of bringing your nice solid mac system to a grinding halt. Word crashes on 10.3 all them time (both 2003 and 2004 versions), excel ain't all that happy either and explorer was always slow to load on classic and caused no end of grief to us.

Back to the original question:

Try the following:
Opera
firefox
Mozalla


As for using OS9 on a beige G3 still? You're not alone, most of my customers still are! They won't switch because:

1) cost of new apps for companies
2) G5 systems with OS X will not support their software (even if they did upgrade)
3) A decent G4 (733mHz) and above will do anything they want, short of recording 16 tracks simultaneously through protools- or for that matter running Garageband!- and we can max them out wih DVDrw's, huge HDs and 1.5 gigs of ram.

It's all down to taste and what you really want your mac for. One customer yesterday quoted to me when referring to the G5's: "As Apple say's: Go have a play, because that's just about all you can do with them".

Sorry if that put's a damper on things, but this is news from the front, from the people that are willing to shell out their cash with apple- they are sort of rushing ahead in their competition with the other speed freaks selling computer kit in vain trying to keep up and sort of leaving their existing loyal customers behind feeling somewhat isolated.

Rgds

Richard

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