[buck52]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

Who is "they"?

no response to that dumb question...

[tomdkat]

If "they" is Apple, you must keep in mind Microsoft does NOT develop most of the software that runs on Windows. If "they" is software vendors in general, that's not an Apple issue.

Peace..

[buck52]

I get your point...

I guess the software vendors agree with me ... mac is not worth the time

It's to bad because I do like the interface the little I have played with it

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by buck52

I guess the software vendors agree with me ... mac is not worth the time

Unfortunately, I think you're right that software vendors choose to ignore Mac OS X BUT I think most "mainstream" apps people would use most frequently are available. Apps like office productivity suites, web browsers, e-mail apps (including ones that support Exchange servers), graphics apps, desktop publishing apps, and so on.

Were you wanting to run "mainstream" apps that were not available for OS X or specialized apps? One app I that runs ONLY on Windows that boggles my mind as to why it runs ONLY on Windows is Stamps.com. You use that app (a local client) to print postage. That should run on Windows AND OS X (Intel and PPC-based Macs) at the very least and should be a platform independent Java application, ideally. Whatever... *sigh*

Peace...

[buck52]

Well if you consider a streets and map or water nav program specialized I guess I am wanting something special...

The camera control program I am very surprized/disappointed that it is not available for the mac seeings how mac is highly reguarded in the graphics community

[pelokwin]

Buck52,
You are not the only one who has run into the " not available for Mac" wall but if Macs have a flaw that would make me toss the thing out the window it would be the hardware/price to fix or replace.
(pelokwin is typing on the family Dell demon due to Mac "hardware issues)

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by buck52

Well if you consider a streets and map or water nav program specialized I guess I am wanting something special...

Does GPS software count? I found this:

http://www8.garmin.com/pressroom/corporate/011006.html
http://www.macgpspro.com/html/newhtm...timonials.html

The camera control program I am very surprized/disappointed that it is not available for the mac seeings how mac is highly reguarded in the graphics community

What kind of camera are you wanting to control?

The most frustrating aspect of software availability for any given platform is wanting a particular application (like PhotoShop natively on Linux) to be available instead of not having anything or something you'll have to learn which is available for the platform in question.

Peace...

[buck52]

I have spent hours on the phone with both Garmin and Delmore ... the only two third party map programs that are worth anything...neither of whom offer their map/gps software for OS x

As for the camera... I have a Nikon D2X and and a wt-2a wireless remote for it and it requires Camera Control Pro 2 to make it all happen... It's not available for a mac

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by buck52

I have spent hours on the phone with both Garmin and Delmore ... the only two third party map programs that are worth anything...neither of whom offer their map/gps software for OS x

These apps weren't around when you spoke with Garmin? Or maybe the person with whom you spoke wasn't aware of them?

In any event, this kind of issue is an issue with the software vendors and not Apple.

As for the camera... I have a Nikon D2X and and a wt-2a wireless remote for it and it requires Camera Control Pro 2 to make it all happen... It's not available for a mac

Is this the Camera Control Pro 2 software you're talking about? If so, it lists Mac OS X as a supported OS (on the "Tech Specs" page) and you can even download a trial or OS X. Or were you talking about some other software?

Peace...

[buck52]

I agree that it is a software issue... my fault for placing the blame souly on Apple...

Is this the Camera Control Pro 2 software you're talking about? If so, it lists Mac OS X as a supported OS (on the "Tech Specs" page) and you can even download a trial or OS X. Or were you talking about some other software?

... It will not work with OS X v 10.5.2 so the Nikon tech supervisor I spoke with said... the same is true for Garmin and Delmore...

maybe they are all giving me the runaround but I doubt it...

[macfan777]

Did you actually try running these apps? They may say they don't "officially" work with 10.5.2 but they may work anyway. This was true with Adobe's CS3 suite - it wasn't "officially" running on Leopard, but people were running it anyway with very few problems.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by buck52

... It will not work with OS X v 10.5.2 so the Nikon tech supervisor I spoke with said... the same is true for Garmin and Delmore...

maybe they are all giving me the runaround but I doubt it...

I believe that since Leopard is a release of OS X software vendors have been slow to support. Two things to consider:

1. Saying an app isn't available for OS X 10.5 ( Leopard) isn't the same as saying it's not available for OS X.
2. There are still Windows apps that aren't compatible with Windows Vista even though this is changing over time. When Vista first came out, people complained about software incompatibilities and lack of Vista drivers, which made some hardware support a challenge.

Given my above comments, I fully agree that there is more software available for Windows than for OS X but I think we've demonstrated above the "landscape", if you will, isn't as bad as people might think.

Peace...

[ferrija1]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

I believe that since Leopard is a release of OS X software vendors have been slow to support. Two things to consider:

1. Saying an app isn't available for OS X 10.5 ( Leopard) isn't the same as saying it's not available for OS X.
2. There are still Windows apps that aren't compatible with Windows Vista even though this is changing over time. When Vista first came out, people complained about software incompatibilities and lack of Vista drivers, which made some hardware support a challenge.

Given my above comments, I fully agree that there is more software available for Windows than for OS X but I think we've demonstrated above the "landscape", if you will, isn't as bad as people might think.

Peace...

I've found all my apps to be updated quite quickly. The Apple development community is a close-knit group that is usually good with updates like this, and I think they did very well.

[VegasACF]

To buck52:

Have you considered running Windows on your Mac laptop? I'm assuming you're basing your opinion upon a laptop that has been available for no more than two years (the first MacBook Pro shipped in January, 2006). If this is indeed the case, that laptop is capable of natively running your Windows-only software, so long as you install the Windows OS on a drive partition. Once completed, run your Windows-only software to your heart's content.

If it is not the case, you're basing your judgment of the current offerings on hardware that is more than a generation old. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing. If I were to judge Windows Vista by its predecessor I might think it a capable OS!

For whatever it is (or isn't) worth, I go back and forth between Windows and the MacOS on a daily basis. The former because that's what I've got in my office (meanwhile my boss is running a sparkling new Mac Pro [place assorted grumbling here]), and I've got (mostly) MacOS machines at home. On the rare occasions that I need to run some software that is Windows-only my nearly two-year-old MacBook Pro handles it with aplomb--better than the two machines that are capable of only running Windows (they are, of course, slightly older models--I'm sure a top o' the line Windows-only machine would run rings around them, and likely the MacBook Pro, too).

And, for whatever else it is (or isn't) worth, I'm also still running a computer with Mac OS 9.2.2 on it. The reasons for this are many, and mostly revolve around the money involved in updating the hardware and software which work perfectly well in this OS (Pro Tools TDM hard/software that will not run in OS X--update of which would cost at least $15,000 from top to bottom, and probably quite a bit more). Even though this OS is, what, 8 years old(?), and the software is a bit older than that it still works great. I guess if it isn't broken why (pay to) fix it?

Perhaps you just need to fully explore the capabilities of your machine before becoming fed up with it? Just a thought. Forgive me if I missed something. I'm on my lunch break, so may have missed some salient point that made mine repetitive.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by ferrija1

I've found all my apps to be updated quite quickly. The Apple development community is a close-knit group that is usually good with updates like this, and I think they did very well.

That's cool but some major software vendors, like Adobe, are dragging their feet for some reason. I know of a specialized dentistry oriented application where the vendor supports OS X Tiger and doesn't plan on supporting Leopard until sometime next year. Considering developers had access to Leopard before it went GA, I'm not sure why there are these kinds of lags (the same goes for Vista support as well).

Peace...