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02-May-2008, 08:31 AM #16
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You still bought their software, you should be able to use it how you want.
Wrong. You bought a license to use their software pursuant to the terms of the license agreement. You do not own the software. Whether or not you have "regard" for that part of the contract is immaterial. It is part of the contract. The process of installation cannot be completed unless and until you click the "I agree" button. That means you are agreeing to all parts of the contract. Even the ones for which you have little regard.

Is it likely that Apple will come down on one person violating that agreement? No. But if there are enough people like you, and Apple can find you, the odds of being included in an infringement case certainly go up. And I guarantee you they have deeper pockets than you or I have.

These agreements have been tested before in the courts. And most of the time they are held as valid and enforceable (only when a term is deemed by the court to be unconscionable have they been invalidated--and even then it is only the unconscionable language that is stricken. The rest of the contract is still held as valid).

This public service message is brought to you by someone who knows a thing or two about the law, for the best interests of all involved.

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04-May-2008, 11:00 AM #17
that's exactly what I said, just a lot more verbiage. There is no law written saying that it is illegal to install mac on a non-apple computer, but there is a contract, and a breach of that contract has legal repercussions.

What I was saying is that, in my own mind, I own the software and can do what ever I want with it. Like I said; I, myself, do not care to follow that law or any law I disagree with.

I said that I did not know what the repercussions as listed in the contract were. I know it's a legally binding contract and the court would require me to uphold my end. I'm not stupid. And Apple is never going to sue any home user for installing mac on windows. It is not worth it to them financially. And they're not going to know. How would they know? Unless you sent them the error reports with the hardware profile when an application crashes, they're not going to know. Even then, the chances of them recognizing that it wasn't an apple-built PC are so slim, you have a better chance of winning a 7-digit lottery.

So, please don't try to be condescending. It is very rude. Read posts fully and completely before you try to tear them apart to make yourself feel smart. You could be an adult, and look for a conflict and politely correct it. Or maybe you could elaborate (politely) on my short little post for those not-so-bright people who would not understand or misinterpret what I was saying.

Don't be a child, please.
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04-May-2008, 07:20 PM #18
Best to take Hackintosh discussions to places made for them anyway.

This forum isn't that, and there are plenty of others that are.
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05-May-2008, 12:01 AM #19
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that's exactly what I said, just a lot more verbiage. There is no law written saying that it is illegal to install mac on a non-apple computer, but there is a contract, and a breach of that contract has legal repercussions.
So... it is illegal.
IMO if something that legal repercussions then it is illegal.
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05-May-2008, 10:24 PM #20
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that's exactly what I said, just a lot more verbiage.
Is it? Allow me to quote you:

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You still bought their software, you should be able to use it how you want
Again. No, you did not buy their software. You bought a license to use the software. You own no part of the software.

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There is no law written saying that it is illegal to install mac on a non-apple computer, but there is a contract, and a breach of that contract has legal repercussions.
Contract law is well-established in common and statutory law. The former is not "written law" in the form of codified law, however the precedents are set by and in court cases which are written down. Statutes are, of course written law. Breach of contract can, and does, run afoul of both common law and statutory law. I'm afraid you are quite mistaken on this point. There is "written law" that covers this quite well on federal and state levels.

You are also forgetting other areas of the law that this sort of thing touches upon. Copyright, intellectual property, even possibly tort law could be implicated. And there are likely others that I'm not thinking of at this late hour.

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What I was saying is that, in my own mind, I own the software and can do what ever I want with it. Like I said; I, myself, do not care to follow that law or any law I disagree with.
I understand precisely what you were saying. And I disagree with it wholeheartedly.

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I said that I did not know what the repercussions as listed in the contract were. I know it's a legally binding contract and the court would require me to uphold my end. I'm not stupid. And Apple is never going to sue any home user for installing mac on windows. It is not worth it to them financially. And they're not going to know. How would they know? Unless you sent them the error reports with the hardware profile when an application crashes, they're not going to know. Even then, the chances of them recognizing that it wasn't an apple-built PC are so slim, you have a better chance of winning a 7-digit lottery.
I, myself, said the odds were against Apple taking any action. But it is a risk, nonetheless.

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So, please don't try to be condescending. It is very rude. Read posts fully and completely before you try to tear them apart to make yourself feel smart. You could be an adult, and look for a conflict and politely correct it. Or maybe you could elaborate (politely) on my short little post for those not-so-bright people who would not understand or misinterpret what I was saying.
There was nothing condescending in my reply. I refuted your position with fact, as I am doing again. I am sorry your feelings were hurt, but your position is not a tenable one.
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