[angelize56]

I can honestly say I'd rather be dead than mutilated to the point I can no longer function on my own...and yes...the injuries can be grievous....I've seen the pictures!

[poochee]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Angel, my son is in the same situation as yours but he doesn't have any physical issues. If we ever reached the point where Mr. Bush would want him to fight this particular war, and there was a draft, I would council and support him in relocating to another country.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by xico

Angel, read Johnny Got His Gun. Dying is terrible, but these guys come back without arms or legs or hands or faces or eyes. It's sickening, and it's more sickening to hear these righties waving the flag and cheering from the sidelines.

Oh, yeah! Those tighty righties are the REAL patriots.

[linskyjack]

Johnny Get Your Gun-- a classic----didn't they make a movie based on it.

[linskyjack]

As this war continues to get more and more violent---I thought this list might be of interest to those of you who support it---I find it to be a fascinating indictment of the ChickenHawks of America


Who served in the military?
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The full Chickenhawk database
(N.H. Gazette)
The 108th Senate

Let's all take a look at this neocon Bush administration.
This page is Fair and Balanced - just like Fox News!!
Prominent Democrats

* Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
* Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
* Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
* Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service

* Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
* Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
* Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
* Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
* Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)

* Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
* Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
* Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
* Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)

* Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
* Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
* Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
* Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
* Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
* Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
* Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.

Who's that guy shaking hands with Don Rumsfeld? Was this footage shot on Rumsfeld's first trip to Baghdad, Dec. 19-20, 1983? Or was it on his second visit, March 24, 1984, the very same day Iraq was using mustard gas and Tabun in its war with Iran?
Prominent Republicans

* Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
* Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
* House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
* House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
* Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
* Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
* Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
* Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.


* Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.

* GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
* VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
* Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

* Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)

The wealthy have never yet sacrificed themselves upon the altar of patriotism. Graphic courtesy Bartcop.com. Thanks, Bartcop!
* Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

* Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
* Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
* "B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments

* Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
* Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
* Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
* Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations http://www.house.gov/cunningham/abou....htm#Biography
* Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
* Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...")
* Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

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Here are a few more...
Democrats

* Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
* Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
* Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
* George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII.
* Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force
* Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.)
* Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine)
* Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953
* Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.

Great at cheering on others to do the fighting, yet too scared to enter the fray himself. Truly a wimp, like the rest of the chickenhawks.
Republicans/Conservatives
Political

* Senator Don Nickles, R-OK - Oklahoma - Biography does not list military service. However, CNN lists Army National Guard service 1970-1976.
* Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1)
* Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2)
* Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2)
* Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, fifth-ranking Republican in Congress - did not serve. (1)
* Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland's patriotism)
* Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2)
* Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years - source)
* Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2)
* Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America)
* Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2)
* Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2)
* Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?)
* Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1)
* Rudy Giuliani, did not serve (1, 2)
* Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2)
* George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2)
* Spencer Abraham, did not serve
* John Engler, did not serve (1, 2)
* Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War.
* Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1)
* Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service.
* Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1)
* Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competition

* George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone survivor out of airplane (link).
* Tom Ridge, Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam (1)
* Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1)
(don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy)
* Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China.
* Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy during WWII as a RM3
* Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989
* Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII
* Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served.

Punditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online)

* George Will, did not serve
* Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve.
* Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
* Paul Gigot, did not serve.
* Bill Bennett, Did not serve
* Pat Buchanan, did not serve
* Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.])
* Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji
* John Wayne, did not serve
* Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."
* Bill Kristol, did not serve
* Sean Hannity, did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr, did not serve
* Antonin Scalia, did not serve
* Clarence Thomas, did not serve
* Ralph Reed, did not serve
* Michael Medved, did not serve
* Charlie Daniels, did not serve
* Ted Nugent, did not serve

* Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served.
* Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him some tough questions.

Independents

* Gov. Jesse Ventura, U.S. Navy SEAL training, did UDT work
* Senator Jim Jeffords, U.S. Navy 1956-1959

[poochee]

Thanks for the info Linskyjack!

[angelize56]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."

That made me snicker!

[linskyjack]

No problem ladies. I posted it because no one can really understand why WAR is not a video game---who hasn't fought in one. I noticed that many on the list, brought us into war, having no concept of what war really is.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

No problem ladies. I posted it because no one can really understand why WAR is not a video game---who hasn't fought in one. I noticed that many on the list, brought us into war, having no concept of what war really is.

Or if you have relatives and friends that either got killed or messed up by a war. That is my experience. Most of the men in my family served. My oldest niece served during peacetime. She's now a Dean of Girls in a high school. Sometimes that's a war.

[angelize56]

Too bad he can't be captured alive!

Iraqi Government Confirms Zarqawi Injured

By Anadolu News Agency (aa)
Published: Thursday 26, 2005
zaman.com

The Iraqi government has confirmed reports that Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi has been injured.

Iraqi Interior Minister Beyan Jabr answered a related question saying, "Yes, this is correct." Jabr elaborated that the Ministry received the information five days ago, but they cannot disclose the source of the information.

The Minister added that they do not have information on how serious the injury is, "Whether he died or not, we are not sure, but we are certain that he is injured."

In a statement posted on an Internet site by Iraqi Al-Qaeda last Tuesday, Zarqawi's injury was announced and his supporters were invited to pray for him. The statement however did not disclose where he was injured and no authorities would confirm the injury until today.

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt...50526&hn=19998

[Sarge]

Iraqi Army aid missions foster goodwill in Sadr City
By Spc. Ben Brody


SADR CITY, Iraq (Army News Service, May 24, 2005)– Iraqi Army and Task Force Baghdad units held one of their largest humanitarian missions in a neighborhood here May 19.

Soldiers from 3rd Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 6th Iraqi Army Division and Task Force Baghdad’s A Company, 3rd Infantry Division distributed 2,000 frozen chickens, 25 soccer balls, hundreds of Beanie Babies and whatever food and candy Soldiers had in their trucks.

“We try to do this about once a month, but this is the biggest one we’ve done yet,” said Staff Sgt. Chhay Mao, A Co., 3-15 Inf., platoon sergeant.

Mao, of Modesto, Calif., explained that Iraqi Soldiers did almost everything themselves that day in preparation for their takeover of half of Sadr City in June.

“They need to be totally proficient at this kind of mission, because they’ll be doing it all by themselves in a month,” Mao said.

Iraqi and U.S. troops quickly secured an open area near a school, and set up concertina wire to keep the crowd a safe distance from the truck packed with chickens.

Iraqi Soldiers divided the crowd into two lines, one for men and one for women, then directed them to the truck to receive two chickens each.

Compared to previous humanitarian drops in other neighborhoods, residents were patient and orderly.

Residents of all ages flocked to the site, and nearly everybody who showed up received something.

“It’s going really well – I think we’ve made some friends today,” said 1st Sgt. Michael Howle, A Co., 3-15 Inf. “We’ve even gotten some of the local kids to clean up the empty chicken boxes and put them back on the truck. We’ll give them each a soccer ball when they’re done.”

Howle and other Soldiers from 3-15 Inf. watched the Iraqi troops carefully, taking mental notes to share with Iraqi Army Battalion leadership later.

“The IAB has come a long way in the past few months,” Howle said. “I’m looking forward to them taking control of the sector.”

Prior to driving off, Soldiers handed out the soccer balls, which children gleefully accepted. They started a pickup soccer game before the trucks even left.

Further south in the sector, Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 9th Field Artillery and 443rd Civil Affairs Battalion conducted a medical capabilities assessment in Village 10 a remote suburb of Baghdad with limited access to medical care.

More than 40 people were treated for minor injuries and illnesses, said Capt. Scott Baumgartner, 1-9 FA, physician ’s assistant.

A man was in a car accident a couple of hours prior to the arrival of the medical team and his injuries required stitches, but most of the care was routine, Baumgartner said.

The mobile medical clinic was set up in the Narawhan School of the village.

The team was well received by the village. It is obvious from all the smiles they received that the villagers were very happy to see them, said Maj. Russ Goemaere, 2nd BCT spokesman.

“It’s both an honor and a privilege to be able to give something to the Iraqi people that they need,” Baumgartner said.

Conducting humanitarian missions, like the chicken distribution in Sadr City and the MEDCAP in Village 10, along with developing strong relationships with the Iraqi Security Forces and Iraqi citizens is improving the security situation in Iraq, Goemaere said.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Iraqi Army aid missions foster goodwill in Sadr City
By Spc. Ben Brody

We love you guys, Sarge!

[linskyjack]

Hey Sarge--how are you doing. I dont pay any attention of the Army News service releases---they are essentially heavily edited PR pieces done to make the army look good. To me this is just, Santa Claus piece in which the US tries to buy apppreication by giving away chickens. Notice, there aren't any quotes by Iraqi citizens.

I'm not saying that this isn't one way to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people----and I am not saying that the guys who distribute US taxpayers largesse aren't doing a good deed........All I am saying is that piece in no way gives me any sense of how the Iraqi people feel about us (all polls I have read say that they are not exactly happy about us occupying the country).

[LANMaster]

Hammorabi reporting that Zarqawi is dead!


link

Edit:
Note: Hammorabi is an Iraqi Blog site. No confirmation at this time.

[linskyjack]

Hammorabi? Who or what is Hammorabi?