[poochee]

Originally Posted by kronus

http://forums.techguy.org/civilized-debate/141126-same-sex-marriages-yes-no-post2741038.html

Make a note of gibble's older post.

No one is forcing ministers to wed gays. Some are welcoming the new law, others abhor it, and the only people who are forced to wed gays are those who marry under civil code, not religious dogma. Remember that the passing of laws (any laws) has absolutely nothing to do with chuches.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstate101/a/what.htm



You have nothing to fear, so long as the churches have good lawyers to defend their right to discriminate against gays. Governments and courts have no jurisdiction over what churches do.

A church should not have to go so far as to hire a lawyer, their ethic should be respected. I assume most gay couples will be able to handle this without causing an uproar.

[kronus]

Originally Posted by Deathblow

Thank you, you prove my point nicely.

Great, I'm glad I could be of service. Now, explain how my rights and the rights of everyone are being threatened. If I'm so closed minded, educate me, please.

[kronus]

Originally Posted by poochee

A church should not have to go so far as to hire a lawyer, their ethic should be respected. I assume most gay couples will be able to handle this without causing an uproar.

How does it go? who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer. Something like that. I don't think most people would have the guts to sue a church, anyway.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by kronus

How does it go? who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer. Something like that. I don't think most people would have the guts to sue a church, anyway.

I didn't mean to imply they wouldn't hire a lawyer. I just think it would be too bad if they would have to go so far.

However, most churches have members who are lawyers and they will donate their expertise and time.

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by angelize56

Jack: Face it...not everyone here holds your view of homosexual marriage....not everyone here cares to embrace the concept of homosexuals marrying...I don't see anyone who opposes homosexual marriage asking why you think it's so grand!

I have no view of homosexual marriage--its marriage--thats it---no different that hetrosexual marriages that now have a divorce rate of 50%. I am merely trying to determine the source of this great fear of homosexual marriage. So far I got:

1. It would cost me more to buy a GM car--not so.
2. My religion--No problem, that's your religion- but why should your religion dictate the desires of two people who love one another and want to cement that in marriage.

3. Radical gays will take over my church.

Now as you can see, so far, not one of these responses is logical. Fact is, they are patently absurd. So lets see what others have to say.

[angelize56]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

I am merely trying to determine the source of this great fear of homosexual marriage.

I doubt anyone here who doesn't embrace homosexual marriage "fears" it....if a person posts they are against it for religious reasons...why can't they leave it at that? Why your need to delve into the deep recesses of one's mind to find a "reason" beyond that....in my religion for example it is a sin...simple as that. I have no homophobia...I'm sure poochee doesn't either....it gets really tiring hearing that from others. We are all entitled to our opinions...so I'll leave it at that for myself at least. Maybe someone will come along who does want to answer your query. I will say one thing...poochee has it right about radical homosexuals....they have an agenda other than being allowed to marry another homosexual....the article posted in post# 1990 by LAN is a fine example!

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by angelize56

You got that right! Now we'll probably see an influx of cases just like this! I suppose the Catholic church itself would be discriminating against homosexuals if a homosexual couple had the nerve to ask to be married in the RCC!

EXACTLY!

I fully support the same rights & privaledges under the law be given to same sex UNIONS.

But when you call it marriage (which has it's origins in religion) then not only do you cheapen marriage, but you also are taking a religious institution and dessicrating it.

Flush that!

Give them ALL of the same rights and call it civil unions. I don't care.
But allow people the permission to practice their religion. If that means they believe gay marriage is wrong, then no government should be allowed to FORCE them to accomodate them.

Remember, this in not about these people being granted lodging. This is about this gay couple demanding the use of the facility for the ceremony.

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by angelize56

I doubt anyone here who doesn't embrace homosexual marriage "fears" it....if a person posts they are against it for religious reasons...why can't they leave it at that? Why your need to delve into the deep recesses of one's mind to find a "reason" beyond that....in my religion for example it is a sin...simple as that. I have no homophobia...I'm sure poochee doesn't either....it gets really tiring hearing that from others. We are all entitled to our opinions...so I'll leave it at that for myself at least. Maybe someone will come along who does want to answer your query. I will say one thing...poochee has it right about radical homosexuals....they have an agenda other than being allowed to marry another homosexual....the article posted in post# 1990 by LAN is a fine example!

I was just trying to figure out why people even concern themselves with such trifling matters as who marries who. Religon is the easy answer. My religion says no--therefore no---I dont even have to look into it or have to examine my own feelings. Thats the beauty of being led around on a leash. You dont have to think.

[xico]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

I was just trying to figure out why people even concern themselves with such trifling matters as who marries who. Religon is the easy answer. My religion says no--therefore no---I dont even have to look into it or have to examine my own feelings. Thats the beauty of being led around on a leash. You dont have to think.

I think the metaphor is "Being led around by the nose," (like a pig with a ring inits nose ) or a cow with a ring in her nose. Why think when you can drink?

[poochee]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

I was just trying to figure out why people even concern themselves with such trifling matters as who marries who. Religon is the easy answer. My religion says no--therefore no---I dont even have to look into it or have to examine my own feelings. Thats the beauty of being led around on a leash. You dont have to think.

Maybe some of the ones who want you to accept that way of life should stop calling attention to it. Like the ones who want the inn to accept them regardless of the owners religious beliefs. Doesn't take much thinking to figure that one out.

[linskyjack]

Where do you live? I can honestly say that in the last twenty years not one homosexual has tried to convince me of anything! By the way, I assure you that there are many more homosexuals around this part of the world then are around yours.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Where do you live? I can honestly say that in the last twenty years not one homosexual has tried to convince me of anything! By the way, I assure you that there are many more homosexuals around this part of the world then are around yours.

Wanna bet? California.......

Notice I said "some" in my last post. And I described what I meant. At least I thought I did.

[linskyjack]

Yeah---NYC ---unless you are living in San Francisco you lose. By the way, is there something about you that brings out all these gay radicals trying to turn your world upside down?

[poochee]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Yeah---NYC ---unless you are living in San Francisco you lose. By the way, is there something about you that brings out all these gay radicals trying to turn your world upside down?

I don't know any radical gay people. Allllllllllllll, I was referring to are incidents like the one at the inn. That couple is trying to force the owner to go against his religious beliefs. Is that fair? It's these kinds of incidents that are out of line.

[angelize56]

I guess you could compare it to a Jewish synagogue...if I wanted to be a smart butt and have my Christian wedding performed there....and they say no because of my religious affiliation...should I have the right to sue...no! If homosexuals want to have a civil ceremony...then have it where they are accepted and tolerated by their own kind or those who embrace their choice to be homosexual...simple solution..don't try to force themselves down others throats! The man at the inn gave a valid reason for not wanting the civil union performed there...it's his perogative! The happy homosexual couple can go elsewhere rather than cause problems!