[linskyjack]

The more I hear these illogical arguments against gay marriage--the more I believe that they result from insecurities about one's own sexuality. I guess that you can hide behind your religion---but in fact, it is all about who you are.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

The following quotes are from this thread, August 2003

What did I tell you?

Lesbians target innkeeper over same-sex 'wedding'
File complaint against Catholic family for reluctance to host civil union service

Posted: June 30, 2005
5:00 p.m. Eastern

A lesbian couple filed a discrimination complaint against a family-run inn because the Roman Catholic owners said they would be reluctant to plan and host a civil union ceremony.

The inn owners, identified only as Jim and Mary, are charged with violating Vermont's Fair Housing and Public Accommodations Act.

The complaint by Susan Parker, filed with Vermont's Human Rights Commission, is based on one phone call with Jim.

Jim said he did not refuse Parker's request but explained that because of his beliefs about marriage, he would have difficulty putting his heart behind the project.

The inn owners, who will host seven or eight wedding receptions this year, usually are involved in the entire process of planning the event, acting as a wedding coordinator.

They run the 24-unit facility with their eight children and have their family residence on the same property.

Liberty Counsel, a Florida-based public-interest law firm representing the family, says that for one recent wedding reception, Jim spent about 40 hours with the couple prior to the wedding day.

Liberty Counsel – which filed a response to the charge, asking that it be dismissed – pointed out Jim said that if Parker still desired to hold the reception, he would be willing to meet with her to discuss possible arrangements.

The law firm argues there must be an exemption to the discrimination charge based on the free exercise of religion, free association and the right of parents to direct the upbringing of their children.

Commenting on the case, Mathew D. Staver, president and general counsel of Liberty Counsel, said it "seeks to authorize the government to become thought police."

"This case also illustrates the radical nature of the same-sex agenda – to target a family-owned inn based upon one telephone call wherein the operator clearly admits that he could not put his heart into a same-sex civil union ceremony," he said. "Forget tolerance – this case is about forcing others to endorse same-sex unions."

Vermont's Human Rights Commission only has legal authority to investigate complaints, negotiate settlements and bring action in court. If illegal discrimination is proven to a judge and jury, the court can impose fines or monetary damages.

In 1994, the Vermont Supreme Court ruled that a Roman Catholic owner of a printing company could assert, as a defense to a claim of discrimination, that printing "pro-choice" flyers would cause the owner to violate his sincerely held religious beliefs.

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Nice job Governor Deano!

This has nothing to do with refusing them lodging, so please don't go there.
This has everything to do with these Catholics being FORCED to host a gay marriage which is contrary to their beliefs.

I told you this was going to be innevitable.

Getting back to the post that triggered all this: Do you really think it is fair for these "radical" thinking lesbians to file a discrimination action against the inn owners? If you think it is fair, then I say that's discriminating against a religious person.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

The more I hear these illogical arguments against gay marriage--the more I believe that they result from insecurities about one's own sexuality. I guess that you can hide behind your religion---but in fact, it is all about who you are.

You don't have to be religious to find homosexual life style repugnant nor agree with it in anyway.............I do not consider it a 'sin' against mankind........just repulsive. On the other hand I have no quarrel against gay marriage nor allowing them equal rights under the law. Sexual preferences are the business of the individuals involved and in no way affects my life. Basically, it's a non-issue. Discrimination is discrimination, plain and simple.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by poochee

Getting back to the post that triggered all this: Do you really think it is fair for these "radical" thinking lesbians to file a discrimination action against the inn owners? If you think it is fair, then I say that's discriminating against a religious person.

If everyone quit making a big hoopty doo of it, I doubt you would see stupid lawsuits of this nature............make them equal under the law.........done deal, no more cry babies on either side of the fence. Move on to more important issues................this is about as important as Hermes refusing Oprah entrance to their store after hours.

[xico]

Originally Posted by Wino

You don't have to be religious to find homosexual life style repugnant nor agree with it in anyway.............I do not consider it a 'sin' against mankind........just repulsive. On the other hand I have no quarrel against gay marriage nor allowing them equal rights under the law. Sexual preferences are the business of the individuals involved and in no way affects my life. Basically, it's a non-issue. Discrimination is discrimination, plain and simple.

[xico]

Originally Posted by Wino

If everyone quit making a big hoopty doo of it, I doubt you would see stupid lawsuits of this nature............make them equal under the law.........done deal, no more cry babies on either side of the fence. Move on to more important issues................this is about as important as Hermes refusing Oprah entrance to their store after hours.

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by poochee

Getting back to the post that triggered all this: Do you really think it is fair for these "radical" thinking lesbians to file a discrimination action against the inn owners? If you think it is fair, then I say that's discriminating against a religious person.

Whats the point here---these situations are rare----and often used to demonize all homosexuals---No, the Inn keeper shouldn't be required to rent to gays. Let me ask you a question, what if this Inn was in Klan country, and the Inn keeper didn't want to rent it to a black hetrosexual couple?

By the way, as I said in an earlier post, this particular couple are idiots---why would you want to get married at a place that doesn't want you? By the way, you know, gay couples show lack of common sense at about the same rate that hetrosexual couples do.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Whats the point here---these situations are rare----and often used to demonize all homosexuals---No, the Inn keeper shouldn't be required to rent to gays. Let me ask you a question, what if this Inn was in Klan country, and the Inn keeper didn't want to rent it to a black hetrosexual couple?

By the way, as I said in an earlier post, this particular couple are idiots---why would you want to get married at a place that doesn't want you? By the way, you know, gay couples show lack of common sense at about the same rate that hetrosexual couples do.

I'd tell that black couple to escape as quickly as possible before they got murdered! I don't think a logical black couple would place themselves in that position. Lack of common sense is universal. Off for the day, have a good one.

[Alan18]

Originally Posted by jimi

can someone please explain how having 2 adult partners of the same sex in a childs life is going to make a child "choose that path"; maybe a bit more open minded for some same sex experimentation, but that being said my dad was a doctor, which inturn gave me more exposure to knowledge of medications, but that sure wasn't the cause of my drug experimantation. IMHO - a committed relationship, no matter what flavor is by far better than a non-committed one.

EXACTLY!

"We are" doing the same thing, except out "normal" partners are of the opposite sex.

What you saying is they are thinking, 'oh, this is the way it is supposed to me' But, we grew up thinking the same thing except, the opposite?

Alan

[Miercaky]

I beleive that marriage should be only between a man and a women, the way God intended it to be.

So go our morrals so goes the nation.

Liberals are for same sex and see nothing wrong with it because the majority are perverted and have thilthy minds!!!

So if same sex is allowed. What's next, marriage between a man and his dog??
Hey, why not? We should all be free thinkers right? There are no rights are or wrongs, right? Let's all just stay in the gray. Wrong, there are laws, Gods laws. Remember the Ten Commandments!

[Alan18]

Why don't you name them off?

Point out the important parts for me eh?

Alan

[Wino]

Hmmmmmmm.....think I may change and get religion.............I don't have anyone to blame for my bigotry and bias............I have to accept full responsibility now....................such a simple minded solution..............not!

[Alan18]

Wino, just to clarify, you are saying religon isn't simple?
Which I belive it true.

Alan

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Alan18

Wino, just to clarify, you are saying religon isn't simple?
Which I belive it true.

Alan

No. I'm saying I take personal responsibility for my actions and have no use or need for religion to inform me as to what is right and wrong.............I'll take Aesop Fables or Mother Goose over the bible any day.

[Alan18]

Alright.

Your choice.
Your call.

Right?

Alan