[Rep]

I am a proud member of the United Church of Christ.

[Bevie]

My gay friends introduced me to their 'lifestyle' and I can assure you there is one. Sadly, sex is a much more important part of their lives than most.. The gay nightclub scene is huge and the drugs to keep them 'up' are rampant. Even a couple whom I almost thought were a 'run of the mill nearly the same as hetro couple' surprised me when I found that picking up from public toilets late at night was common. I love 'em, am not even close to religious and say let them live their lives - but always argued that sex is primarily for making babies and this is not possible between two males. Whichever cell/gene etc., causes this abnormality has a lot to answer for but they certainly do not choose to be gay. As I tell my homophobic husband, sleeping with a girl to them, would be the same as him sleeping with a man... unthinkable. As to their marriage... Its probably fine.. why not - they couldn't have a worse divorce rate than the rest of us! Children... possibly ok too... but we are raising generations who will soon believe that ALL sex is normal.... what then about paedophilia? This certainly cannot be seen as normal - (also a cell/gene I think) but some will read this post and gasp that they read 'this abnormality' above and they will reply "who is she to say what is normal"... won't they?

[kronus]

You raise an interesting point Bevie. I'm probably one who feels all sex is normal, and is not reserved for making babies. However, I don't fear that one day pedophilia might become acceptable. It is still a matter of choice between two consenting persons and various laws protect minors from being coerced into sex with older parties.

[Bevie]

Hi Kronus, I agree re the laws of protection.. I certainly hope they stay that way - but I do think we push the line further and further all the time. Nowadays token gay relationships are popping up on TV shows frequently - soon they'll be on Home and Away if they already aren't... and once upon a time this would never have been allowed.. Yes, we are moving with the times - and once upon a time bare breasts wouldn't have been shown either. I just think we are being slowly desensitised and children too are thinking that all sex is normal. Therein lies the danger. Thanks for taking the time to read what is, after all, just my opinion. The world will change no matter what I think!

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by Bevie

My gay friends introduced me to their 'lifestyle' and I can assure you there is one. Sadly, sex is a much more important part of their lives than most.. The gay nightclub scene is huge and the drugs to keep them 'up' are rampant. Even a couple whom I almost thought were a 'run of the mill nearly the same as hetro couple' surprised me when I found that picking up from public toilets late at night was common. I love 'em, am not even close to religious and say let them live their lives - but always argued that sex is primarily for making babies and this is not possible between two males. Whichever cell/gene etc., causes this abnormality has a lot to answer for but they certainly do not choose to be gay. As I tell my homophobic husband, sleeping with a girl to them, would be the same as him sleeping with a man... unthinkable. As to their marriage... Its probably fine.. why not - they couldn't have a worse divorce rate than the rest of us! Children... possibly ok too... but we are raising generations who will soon believe that ALL sex is normal.... what then about paedophilia? This certainly cannot be seen as normal - (also a cell/gene I think) but some will read this post and gasp that they read 'this abnormality' above and they will reply "who is she to say what is normal"... won't they?

Totally absurd post--your anecdotal experience is not necessairly the norm.

[Alan18]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Totally absurd post--your anecdotal experience is not necessairly the norm.

I'll second that.

Alan

[littlemar]

Bevie - I really think your friends were trying to shock you. My brother is gay and has had his companion for quite a few years now. I have no problem with his lifestyle and they do not push anything on anyone else. They have their fights and they have fun traveling.

He tried the marriage thing while younger and had two lovely children. But I've never seen my brother any happier then he is now with this new lifestyle. Both he and his wife were miserable with each other and everyone could see it. We were brought up Catholic and my brother was an altarboy and went to a Catholic Boys High School and Marquette. He was made to feel like the worst sinner of all times but then I was divorced and I felt the same way.

Maybe we are conditioned to accept the norm - but some of that norm is not right either. Domestic abuse is that right? Cheating is that right? There really is no such thing as the norm when people are in the equation.

[linskyjack]

What I find to be the most interesting thing about this obession with gays is not the gay people as much as the person who has the obession. I truely believe that it is not normal and really reflects some underlying phobia or anxiety that makes absolutely no rational sense.

[Deathblow]

I'm no more afraid of a homosexual than I am of a pedophile, rapist, or any other type of sexual deviant. What I don't understand is the outpouring of support for this lifestyle from people who claim not to be gay, and in fact, keep stating over and over that it doesn't affect them what so ever. If it doesn't affect you, why are you so strongly in favor of it? If only people were this passionate about free speech, religious freedom and other rights that are being thrown by the wayside.

[Big-K]

Oh but they are. You just seem to want to believe they aren't as passionate about those things.

[kronus]

Originally Posted by Deathblow

If it doesn't effect you, why are you so strongly in favor of it?

Someone has to support it. Besides, I think gay people are far cooler and stylish than any normal heterosexual person. If it doesn't affect you, why stand against it? I say, what's the harm, and I've heard nothing but a bunch of numbers from people crying about how much extra social security will cost.

If only people were this passionate about free speech, religious freedom and other rights that are being thrown by the wayside.

This statement bothers me. First of all, free speech is not threatened because we put aside one ideal for another. If anything, these type of arguments only promote freedom of speech. As for religious freedom, isn't that where this argument ends up? I say they can marry. I'm free to say that, and I'm free to believe that. You (or maybe not you, Deathblow, who knows?) say they can't. That is well within your rights and freedoms. What you can't do, is tell other people how to live their lives, or how to believe. My right to pursue happiness has not been thrown by the wayside. But, if the States has it's way, the right of gay people to pursue the happiness that marriage provides will be tossed aside.

[Deathblow]

Well first, I've never said it doesn't affect me, I think it affects everyone, and not in a good way. Secondly, both of those rights, and others, are being violated when people are being sued and laws written to prevent people from stating and standing by their beliefs.

[Alan18]

Well first, I've never said it doesn't effect me, I think it affects everyone, and not in a good way.

Want to explain in detail all the 'bad' ways were being affected?

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by Alan18

Want to explain in detail all the 'bad' ways were being affected?

Let me help him out here. It effects him because he so unsure of his own sexuality! That is the only explanation and studies confirm it!

[Deathblow]

I'm not gonna take this to a personal attack level. I would appreciate if you would have the decency not to stoop that low either.