[iltos]

Originally Posted by Deathblow

I'm not gonna take this to a personal attack level. I would appreciate if you would have the decency not to stoop that low either.

i agree ....

but note that you kinda set yourself up with the assumption in your first post that homosexuals are sexual deviants, comparable to pedofiles and rapists...i've only heard that arguement used by deeply religious people or people who otherwise percieve some kind of threat from gays.

i'd like to point out what i consider to be a significant distinction surrounding this whole "effects me" thing.....the gay lifestyle, as a tangible thing, does not impact my life at all.....that is just a circumstance/personality thing...i have a few gay friends and a gay family member, but as people, their sexual preference and whatever attitudes have developed as a result of that have not changed my relationship with them in the least

however, the gay lifestyle, as an intangible expression of a person's right the life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, is a different story....

imo, this is a question that everyone will give some concious thought to sometime during their life, and understanding its significance will be an education for some, a heartbreak, perhaps, for others, and the kindling of yet more intolerance, fear, and hatred for still others.

all of these things are evidence of passion....and as a society, we tend to get passionate about things when they are close.....the "freedoms" you mentioned are oftimes taken for granted (not necessarily a good thing in this day and age).....which is unfortunate because there appears ample, if anecdotal, evidence to me that most of imagine they are immutable....written somewhere in stone and eternal.....

this is perhaps why, for you, there seems to be a lack of passion surrounding them

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by Deathblow

I'm not gonna take this to a personal attack level. I would appreciate if you would have the decency not to stoop that low either.

Yeah, you aren't going to take it to a personal attack level when you already compared gays to pedophiles (of which the vast majority are hetrosexuals). Give us a break.

[Bush Lady]

I think that the Liberal's just introduced same sex legislation with the hope that they get more votes. If it had not been for Ontario in the last federal elections, the Liberals would not be governing.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by littlemar

Cheating is that right?

If its Mulder and Littlemar!

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Bush Lady

I think that the Liberal's just introduced same sex legislation with the hope that they get more votes. If it had not been for Ontario in the last federal elections, the Liberals would not be governing.

Are you suggesting Ontario has in inordinate amount of homosexuals compared to the rest of Canada?

BTW, is Nickel City anywhere near Sudbury?

[Big-K]

I'd just like to point out that it's 'affect' not 'effect'. 'Effect' is a noun, 'affect' is a verb.

</grammar nazi>

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by Bush Lady

I think that the Liberal's just introduced same sex legislation with the hope that they get more votes. If it had not been for Ontario in the last federal elections, the Liberals would not be governing.

Well in that case, obviously many Canadians agree with the liberals and thus your claim is meaningless at best, homophobic at worse.

[Bush Lady]

Originally Posted by Wino

Are you suggesting Ontario has in inordinate amount of homosexuals compared to the rest of Canada?

BTW, is Nickel City anywhere near Sudbury?

I don't know if Ontario has an inordinate amount of homosexuals. I am just saying that by the time the polls close in Ontario, we already know what kind of government we have, because of the number of people that live in Ontario.
There must be voters, west of Ontario that feel that their vote is not that important.
Anyway, the federal party that thinks they can win, will spend most of their campaign money in Ontario. The idea is if you win in Ontario and get a few seats in the other provinces, you can still govern.
After what the provincal Liberals pulled here, it was thought that the federal Liberal's would not get to many seats in Ontario.
But it seems like the Fed's pulled the wool over the eyes' of a lot of voters in Ontario.
And when it comes close to another election, the Liberal's will just pass a few goody's and the voter's will forget everything else. And this goes for the one's we have in province too.


So you know were the Nickel City is big deal. This the place were Nasa comes, it looks just like the Moon.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Bush Lady

I don't know if Ontario has an inordinate amount of homosexuals. I am just saying that by the time the polls close in Ontario, we already know what kind of government we have, because of the number of people that live in Ontario.
There must be voters, west of Ontario that feel that their vote is not that important.
Anyway, the federal party that thinks they can win, will spend most of their campaign money in Ontario. The idea is if you win in Ontario and get a few seats in the other provinces, you can still govern.
After what the provincal Liberals pulled here, it was thought that the federal Liberal's would not get to many seats in Ontario.
But it seems like the Fed's pulled the wool over the eyes' of a lot of voters in Ontario.
And when it comes close to another election, the Liberal's will just pass a few goody's and the voter's will forget everything else. And this goes for the one's we have in province too.


So you know were the Nickel City is big deal. This the place were Nasa comes, it looks just like the Moon.

Thank you for the explanation.

Sudbury.........stayed there for a few months working on project at Kerr uranium mine near Espanola (if memory serves me well - 'Logan's Run' had just been released). Enjoyed the time there. Hotel was just up the street from INCO smelter.....quite a show when pouring off slag, and yes quite the moonscape for testing the rover. Is it still a party town? Or has it calmed down?

Again, thanks for the info............sounds similar to the US............voters giving up their right to vote in exasperation of the eastern talleys.

[Bush Lady]

Originally Posted by Wino

Thank you for the explanation.

Sud bury...... Is it still a party town? Or has it calmed down?

Again, thanks for the info............sounds similar to the US............voters giving up their right to vote in exasperation of the eastern talleys.

We are having the "Northern Lights Festival" this weekend. And in a few weeks we are having the "Dragon Boat Races" on Ramsey Lake. In the winter we have "Winter Carnival". And if you want to drive about 60 miles west of Sudbury, to Massey for "Massey Fair", in August.

It really did look like the moon before INCO put up the "super stack". Back then we had all the pollution here in town. And the area around "Copper Cliff" did look like the moon because there were no trees growing there.
The trees just started growing again years after the "super stack" was built.

And about the politician's it's amazing what they will do for a vote. The fringe benefits are to good.

[Deathblow]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Yeah, you aren't going to take it to a personal attack level when you already compared gays to pedophiles (of which the vast majority are hetrosexuals). Give us a break.

What's personal is that you said I am unsure about MY sexuality. That is a personal attack. Now If I were to say that YOUR no better than a pedophile or a rapist because YOU are obviously a homosexual, then that would also be a personal attack.

[Deathblow]

Originally Posted by Big-K

I'd just like to point out that it's 'affect' not 'effect'. 'Effect' is a noun, 'affect' is a verb.

</grammar>

Thanks, oddly enough I had actually used both in the same post.

[dugq]

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
WASHINGTON—Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia—the fear, anxiety,
anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay
individuals—is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware
of or denies. A study appearing in the August issue of the Journal of Abnormal
Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new
empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.
Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35
homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia
scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively
heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.
Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of
heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order).
Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely
measures and records male tumescence.
Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting
heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual
behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups
occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: ‘The homophobic
men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video,
but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.’
Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic
group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video,
only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly,
while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the
homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.
When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were
aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that
tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with
one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal
by the male homosexual video.
Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed
homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with
that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation:
anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have
caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the
nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, ‘anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal
and erection,’ and so it is also possible that ‘a response to homosexual stimuli [in these
men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These
competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.’

Article: ‘Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?’ by Henry E. Adams,
Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, University of Georgia, in
Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.
(Full text available from the APA Public Affairs Office.)
The American Psychological Association (APA), in Washington,DC, is the largest
scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and
is the world’s largest association of psychologists. APA’s membership includes more
than 142,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its
divisions in 49 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 58 state and Canadian
provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession
and as a means of promoting human welfare.

[angelize56]

Klein to protect religious freedom over marriage

Canadian Press

Tuesday, July 12, 2005

CALGARY -- Premier Ralph Klein says his government will protect anyone who doesn't want to perform same-sex weddings in Alberta.

In Calgary today, he said the province will pass legislation to protect individuals who oppose same-sex marriage on cultural or religious grounds.

Klein says his government realizes that the chances of successfully challenging same-sex marriage in court are slim to none.

As a result Alberta will issue marriage licences to same-sex couples, but new legislation will protect ministers and marriage commissioners who don't want to perform the ceremonies.

Alberta New Democrat leader Brian Mason calls the Klein government "Neanderthals when it comes to this issue".
He says they are going to allow anyone performing marriages in Alberta to discriminate against same-sex couples. ( Here we go again....if a church who believes homosexuality is a sin doesn't want to marry a homosexual couple...they should have the right to tell that couple no!)

The federal legislation being enacted already stipulates that religious officials will not be required to perform same-sex marriages.

http://www.newsalerts.com/news/article/go:world3:227321

[Schnitzu]

Ralph Klein is a red-neck.