[Big-K]

You've never heard of the civilized debate section have you?

[Cookiegal]

Lance1,

I've merged the thread you started in Random here with this existing one on the same topic.

[tdi_veedub]

Hmm, It seems that since divorce rates are on a constant rise, marriage really isn't working for straight people either.

Marriage these days is simply a piece of paper that give people some extra tax breaks, and lower car insurance. Most people that get married either get married because they have to (She ends up pregnant and doesn't want a *******), or it is arranged by some assinine cultural belief that thinks that people should not be able to choose who they love, or for the incentives. People are going to procreate, but the stigma of having children out of wedlock is still very prominant. It is my belief that marriage should be abolished altogether. But since marriage still exists, and it is supposed to be about LOVE and RELATIONSHIP, gay people have loving relationships so therefore they should be allowed to wed if so desired.

[Big-K]

I don't think Lance gets the point. The whole world is never going to be gay, I don't think anyone wants that. There really are no valid arguements against the subject. Religion? You can't force a religion on someone. Sex is for procreation? So marriage should only be for those who are definately going to have kids? It's unnatural? That's your opinion, not theirs. There are no REAL problems with it.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by tdi_veedub

Hmm, It seems that since divorce rates are on a constant rise, marriage really isn't working for straight people either.

Marriage these days is simply a piece of paper that give people some extra tax breaks, and lower car insurance. Most people that get married either get married because they have to (She ends up pregnant and doesn't want a *******), or it is arranged by some assinine cultural belief that thinks that people should not be able to choose who they love, or for the incentives. People are going to procreate, but the stigma of having children out of wedlock is still very prominant. It is my belief that marriage should be abolished altogether. But since marriage still exists, and it is supposed to be about LOVE and RELATIONSHIP, gay people have loving relationships so therefore they should be allowed to wed if so desired.

tdi, "Marriage" or a partnership contract can never be abolished.
There has to be a legal vehicle for any benefits that couples ---partners enjoy, regardless of sex. Responibilty for children, tax, contracts entered into, inheritance, and anything else entered into jointly--as partners.
Sex, religious beliefs , cultural habits should have little to do with it.
I support gays rights to form the same type of loving relationships as hetrosexuals, legally.
In a sense you are correct that traditional marriage isn't working for many ---as a life-long commitment. BUT it is just as important for legal reasons as ever before. The fact that marriage is becoming more of a temporary arrangement is neither here nor there. A contract is a contract regardless of what its called, until terminated. I believe Gays should be able to make this contract.
I also agree with Big-K Procreation is not the point. >f

[tdi_veedub]

In Canada that legal vehicle exists without a marriage contract. It's called "common-law". IMO, marriage isn't supposed to be about legal benefits or cultural beliefs or religion, It should be about love and relationship and that's it. It seems obvious to me that people these days get married for all the wrong reasons.

[jonasdatum]

Originally Posted by tdi_veedub

In Canada that legal vehicle exists without a marriage contract. It's called "common-law". IMO, marriage isn't supposed to be about legal benefits or cultural beliefs or religion, It should be about love and relationship and that's it. It seems obvious to me that people these days get married for all the wrong reasons.

I have studied social aspects of relationships in school. In a nut shell marriage is a means of reproduction and regluating sex - period. Religion is a means of social order. The benifit of outlawing gay marriage depends on the goals and beliefs of those who control the social order.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by jonasdatum

I have studied social aspects of relationships in school. In a nut shell marriage is a means of reproduction and regluating sex - period. Religion is a means of social order. The benifit of outlawing gay marriage depends on the goals and beliefs of those who control the social order.

Marriage is not needed for reproduction---only who will pay for it!
And there is no real benefit for those controlling the social order by making gay people miserable.
The only benefit I can see is making other mean spirited people happy---I.E Politics.
Only when there are "victims" , should sexual behavior be regulated, and that should be done with care.
I , as citizen , don't benefit in least by punishing gays, or seeing hardships imposed--- recieve no joy--- no benefit. I might add---there are those that do. >f

[xico]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Marriage is not needed for reproduction---only who will pay for it!
And there is no real benefit for those controlling the social order by making gay people miserable.
The only benefit I can see is making other mean spirited people happy---I.E Politics.
Only when there are "victims" , should sexual behavior be regulated, and that should be done with care.
I , as citizen , don't benefit in least by punishing gays, or seeing hardships imposed--- recieve no joy--- no benefit. I might add---there are those that do. >f

Well said, Fidelista!