[Rockn]

Freedom from choice seems to be your credo Herge'. You and your nieve utopian view of the world makes me laugh...thank you for the morning chuckle! This thread only has one agenda and it was pretty clear from the first three posts. Are these stories really true or were they just generated by some anti US propoganda machine? I believe most of these have probably been blown out of proportion like the "82nd airbone opened up a devastating barrage of gunfire lasting for at least an hour" most fire fights last less than 5 minutes if this was indeed a raid. So the story states these were just a bunch of US thug soldiers out for bloodlust.....garbage. And using the Guardian as a reliable, unbiased news source is rediculous. Didn't Rory Mccarthy also do a "hardhitting" interview with actor Sean Penn? Is he a hollywood reporter or a reputable news reporter or just a hack.

There alway mistakes in combat situations and unfortunately a lot of times a soldiers trainging and survival instinct take over. It doesn't make it any more right or justified, but it does happen. What would you do PL if you were an 18 year old kid in an extreme situation like this? That's right you are at home in your easy chair living off the freedoms these men and women and their predecessors have afforded you.

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by Rockn:
This thread only has one agenda and it was pretty clear from the first three posts.

It is good to see that people understand this. There are a few here [ahheeem, Stoner, aheeeem, Schwartz ] that have only one agenda.

Originally posted by Rockn:
Freedom from "choice" seems to be your credo Hergé. You and your naieve Utopian view of the world makes me laugh.

There are always mistakes in combat situations and unfortunately a lot of times a soldier's training and survival instinct take over. It doesn't make it any more right or justified, but it does happen. What would you do PL if you were an 18 year old kid in an extreme situation like this? That's right you are at home in your easy chair living off the freedoms these men and women and their predecessors have afforded you.

"Freedom from choice seems to be your credo Hergé"

Wrong yet again. Freedom from confusion.

There is only ONE GOD and yet there are a plethora of denominations and "faiths" instead of ONE Solid, scientifically based and absolute complete understanding applicable to everyone.

I would simply TEACH the people this ONE scientifically based system and there would be no need for further arguing OR for further fighting.

Naive, childlike, no, it is ... SO SIMPLE ... that it has NO comparison with all of this "religious" "holy" warring.

Everyone is ... supposed ... to be living in peace, but these church groups insist on the "hole-i-ness" of the devil himself, temptation, forgiveness, and all of that pseudo-scientific garbage.

EVERY TIME that the Military PUTS THIS RELIGIOUS NONSENSE down, come the peace, religion slowly moves in again. Grrr!

This is the huge difference between non-religious, scientifically based Freethinking and religion.

If you read French, it may exist in English too, try picking up a copy of "Science Vie", (Science Life) and just read about the three false doctrines, Christianity, Judeaism and Islam.

The ONLY true belief system outside all these is Egyptian based science known to ALL people, but NOT taught properly.

In Egypt everything is explained very clearly and scientifically AND it explains the spiritual side ... as well.

" That's right you are at home in your easy chair living off the freedoms these men and women and their predecessors have afforded you."

And these "priests", what are THEY doing? Hiding in their priest-holes chuckling to themselves that they will never be found out?

My father was a Regular Military Officer. I took a commission exam twice and passed both times. As a young boy I went on training exercises with TA, RA, Ligt infantry and SBS.

The people who are doing the fighting need to see the sense of ridding this planet of priests, rabbis and all other "holy" men whose activities are an INSULT to us all, and replacing the entirety of these "religious" systems with ONE science.

But no! More babies! Whislt the joker laughs with delight!

We will KEEP you in poverty to keep OUR hold over you, and if you should try to escape this madness then we will CRUCIFY you with our "Holy" protection racket.

NOTHING has changed in the 2004 years since Christ was here.

He said then that they didn't know what they were doing.

It is NOT about greed for money, treachery and hole-i-ness, it SUPPOSED to be about ... love.

It is a great pity that you have become cynical too.

Private business, corruption and holiness is killing us all.

So when the Military wins the peace, then this time, let us keep it that way and keep these children AWAY from the religious evil of ignorance, poverty and superstitious nonsense, centered on these two "holes" of Sodom and Gomorah, and their SICK sexual joke.

I for one have had more than enough of this toilet religion.

It should be flushed into its own hole.

"You and your naieve Utopian view of the world makes me laugh."

The actuality of what is going on makes me weep, poverty and abuse, everywhere, whilst the rich get fatter all the time, and the Military does all of the fighting for these people.

Greed spells the end of everything.

Hergé.

Everywhere where people have too many children this breeds poverty and poverty breeds crime.

[Stoner]

To the forum:

Originally posted by Mulder:
It is good to see that people understand this. There are a few here [ahheeem, Stoner, aheeeem, Schwartz ] that have only one agenda.

Note that I have not contributed to this column or any other that might inadvertently cause the impression that any atrocities posted are currently the fault(or intent) of the men and women that serve in the military.

Unfortunately, there are going to be episodes in the aftermath of war that report clashes between the safety and duties of the military in an occupation scenario and the human rights of the Iraqi people.
The mess that Bush continues has no easy solutions from me.

As far as Mulder's claim of there being an 'agenda', there's an election looming in the future. Vote from knowledge, not from ignorance as my pal appears to profess.

Where are those WMD?
Where is Saddam?
Where is Osama?
Who are these terrorists that attack our military?
Who's getting richer off all this? Who isn't?

Remember those questions when you vote. That's a good agenda for me, Mulder

[Mulderator]

Stoner--did you see the smile face--I'm yanking your chain, my friend. I know that's a favorite pastime of yours, so I like to return the favor once is awhile!

Again--the blue pill--take it once in the morning and once in the evening. You'll stop hearing voices and you'll sleep much better!

[Stoner]

That's a good agenda for me, Mulder

You missed my smiley


and you've been yankin' chains ever since I can remember

and I see you are still trying to solve problems with pills

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by Stoner:
and I see you are still trying to solve problems with pills

Not mine--just yours!

[Stoner]

Originally posted by Mulder:
Not mine--just yours!

Are you licensed to treat or is this street corner advice

Again I'm posting this link for those who have a genuine sense of moral responsibility - sign up here :

http://www.vso.org.uk

They don't get paid very well but could always introduce ... family planning to alleviate poverty and reduce the population and raise the age of majority and sexual consent to 21 years of age to help do the same.

Doesn't help much when some people's age of religious majority is set at 15 and they also want to turn the tables on you.

So ... no matter ... what you do to help become civilised, "religion" will reverse everything to ensure a return to barbarism.

All "religions" are ONLY interested in sexuality and therefore puberty.

Pathetic.

Setting the age of majority at 21 was designed by civilised people, Protestant Puritans, to help alleviate this problem.

Religion, thinking along the lines of matters sexual (hole-i-ness) sets it back to 15.

The effect of this is to include ALL teen-agers in the hol(e)y sex-trap from 13 to 19.

Lowering the age of majority to 18 has had the same effect.

Now paedophiles have reached all the way down to children of five. See the report about Vatican priests.

There are even reports of pornography involving sex with ... 9 month old babies.

So claims to moral responsibility are becoming more and more incredible.

Rape is, only now, considered to be a war crime. Women are getting a really BAD deal and it seems that nobody even cares.

As usual Mr. Manyana, AKA "the mediterranean shrug", or his Poliness the Hope, the syphilitic mystic, has made a really good mess of ... everything. (Al Capone had syphillis. He was a criminal too, if you remember.)

And unwarranted attacks, on blue-eyed blondes, based on superstition, has made matters worse.

So much for being at the "cutting edge" of scientific religious "belief".

'Scusi/Shalom.

Bah!

Hergé

[Moby]

Herge my Snowy Thompson Tined friend I have no doubt you believe what you believe in. Do you think it does your cause justice to just preach it? Or to just take the stance of 'knowing more', therefore giving the impression that those that 'don't know' are looked down upon?
Or just doing things the way you do ( am asking honestly and seriously by the way), do you think you'll achieve something real and meaningful to you? Or are you really just a joke for your own amusement, which I can understand too? Still serious by the way and am questioning your ways, not your beliefs. So please no Egyptian Angel Marys coming to get me in your answer.

[CyBerAliEn]

Don't hold your breath Moby...

I also wonder such questions, but inquiries to the great Herge himself yield the same answers time and again, "Egyptian this", "Egyptian that", "scientific religion" (an oxymoron if I ever saw one ), etc.

Let's get this back on track...


RSM123:

I really liked your posts above; well said. Although you don't see it, you have a standing obation.

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by CyBerAliEn:
Don't hold your breath Moby...

I also wonder such questions, but inquiries to the great Herge himself yield the same answers time and again, "Egyptian this", "Egyptian that", "scientific religion" (an oxymoron if I ever saw one ), etc.

Let's get this back on track...


RSM123:

I really liked your posts above; well said. Although you don't see it, you have a standing obation.

Here here--people like Moby and RSM make you remember and appreciate the sacrifice of so many British [not saying your Brit, Moby! ] and Americans during the two World Wars and why we remain such close allies. Evil will never triumph as as long as there are good men (and women) who will not stand by and watch it.

[Moby]

Originally posted by Mulder:
Here here--people like Moby and RSM make you remember and appreciate the sacrifice of so many British [not saying your Brit, Moby! ] and Americans during the two World Wars and why we remain such close allies. Evil will never triumph as as long as there are good men (and women) who will not stand by and watch it.

It's ok to call me a Brit Mulder
I knew you didn't get it the first time

[Sarge]

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=5257

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by Sarge:
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=5257

Sarge--this thread may possibly help you to understand the same mistake I think your making in the Tricky Dick Cheney thread. Here, you see some articles that clearly attempt to make the US military look as if its out of control and has no concern for the indigenous population of Iraq (or anywhere for that matter). Obviously, you understand these instances to be highly exagerrated and extremely inflammatory.

Keep in mind that the articles you cite and refer to in the Tricky Dick thread are written by the same types of media--people interested in espousing a certain political viewpoint and who have little regard for truth or accuracy.