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23-Sep-2003, 11:07 PM #1
American savagery in Iraq
Every day in some foreign paper or another you read a similar story. How we are winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. I thought it about time we post them in one place. Since I don't watch Fox News I would appreciate any such stories from them

#1http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1048500,00.html
Iraq: the reality and rhetoric

Rory McCarthy reports from al-Jisr, scene of the killing of three farmers at hands of US troops

Wednesday September 24, 2003
The Guardian

It was the middle of the night when the crack paratroopers from America's 82nd Airborne Division arrived outside Ali Khalaf's farmhouse in the parched fields of central Iraq.

Some of the family were asleep on mattresses in the dirt yard outside the single-storey house. Ali's brother Ahmad lay there with his wife, Hudood, 25, and their two young sons and so they were the first to hear the soldiers as they approached the house at around 2am yesterday.

"We heard voices and so my husband went out to check what was happening. We thought they were thieves," said Hudood. "My husband shouted at them and then immediately they started shooting."

By the family's account, the troops of the 82nd Airborne - known proudly as the "All American" - opened up a devastating barrage of gunfire lasting for at least an hour. When the shooting stopped, three farmers were dead and three others were injured, including Hudood's two sons, Tassin, 12, and Hussein, 10.

Yesterday a US military spokesman in Baghdad, Specialist Nicole Thompson, insisted that the troops came under attack from "unknown forces". The "unknown forces" ran into a building, which was surrounded by the troops who then called in an air strike. "I can confirm at least one enemy dead," she said.

The US military has chosen not to count the civilian casualties of the war in Iraq. But while more than 300 US soldiers have now been killed since the invasion to topple Saddam in March, thousands more Iraqis have died.

The US military likes to advertise its achievements: how their patrols in the troubled town of Falluja, a few minutes drive from Ali Khalaf's farmhouse, hand out colouring books and repaint schools and how elsewhere they repair broken water mains and sewage plants.

Most of the time it matters little. In the heartlands of central Iraq, home to the Sunni Muslim minority, and now too in the Shia-dominated provinces of the south, there is less and less sympathy for the American military and their allies.

The growing wave of frustration comes only in part from the few loyalists who still fight for Saddam Hussein and increasingly from a population affronted and humiliated by the same American tactics employed yesterday.

Though Sunnis, Ali Khalaf's family can have benefited little from Saddam's rule. Their homes are humble, with little electricity and only brackish drinking water. Five brothers share a few acres of farmland where they grow just enough wheat and cucumbers to survive.

As mourners gathered in a tent outside the farm yesterday, the family walked through the yard, enclosed by a brick wall and pointed out where the "enemy dead" were killed.

"There was no shooting from the house. It was the soldiers who shot at us," said Hudood. "There was so much firing and shelling we couldn't even get out of the farm."

Four thin mattresses still lay in the open air, close to the house and stained in blood. Just a few feet away were two large craters caused, the family explained, by missile strikes from the jet fighters called in as air support. The two young boys were injured on the mattresses and then carried bravely inside by Hudood.

Together the family tried to count the number of bullet holes in the wall of the farmhouse that bore the brunt of the attack. There were at least 90, perhaps 100. Outside in the fields lay dozens of the small 5.56mm bullet casings cast out by the US military's M16 assault rifles.

It was probably one of these bullets which hit Ali Khalaf in the chest. He crawled inside the first room of the farmhouse apparently looking for a strip of cloth to improvise a bandage.

He slumped to the floor just below the shattered glass window and next to an old wooden chest and there he died. A large pool of his blood lay caked to the floor of the room yesterday, chunks of plaster torn off the wall by the gunfire lay close by.

Hudood rushed her children into the second room of the farmhouse. She sat on the ground next to the bed with her children

"I covered my children in my arms and brought them close to my chest. I covered them with blankets, I thought perhaps it would help protect them," Hudood said. "They are just small children. One of them said to me: 'Don't cry mummy. We have got God with us.'"

Next to her on the floor was her cousin Saadi Faqri, 30, who was staying in the house and ran to help her. During the shooting, a rocket or a large piece of shrapnel ripped through the wall of the bedroom, past Hudood and the children, and struck Saadi in the chest. He slumped on the floor and died.

The third man to die, Salem Khalil, 40, was a neighbour who came running to help when he heard the shooting. His body was found lying on the ground outside.

Eventually the shooting stopped, the soldiers pulled back and then they called in the air strike. At least seven missiles were fired but only one hit the house, tearing through the ceiling of an unoccupied storeroom.

Yesterday morning the villagers of al-Jisr gathered to bury their dead in the large graveyard by the main road. At the same time, US military officers arrived at the farmhouse, took photographs, gathered shell casings and, through a translator, briefly apologised to the family. The words meant little.

"My brother was a polite and decent man. He was poor and we had only enough farmland to survive," said Ali Khalaf's brother Zaidan, who lives nearby.

"None of us are interested in politics, none of us worked in Saddam's regime. We got nothing from Saddam.

"I swear we don't have any weapons in our homes and we don't have any intention to fight the Americans. But the Americans have become a heavy weight on our shoulders. They don't respect human beings, they humiliate the Iraqi people. They promised freedom and democracy. Is it freedom to kill people, make bloodshed and destroy our house? Is that what they mean by freedom?"
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#2http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EI24Ak03.html

Middle East

THE ROVING EYE
Hot off the press
By Pepe Escobar

BAGHDAD - Abdo Satar al-Chaalan, chairman of the weekly newspaper al-Mustaki (The Independent) - the self-described "spokesman of the Iraqi resistance" - proudly recalls the five times that he was arrested by Saddam Hussein's regime in the 1970s, as a member of an opposition party. He has already been arrested once by the Americans, and another arrest may be just around the corner.

"After the invasion," says Chaalan, "I decided to set up a newspaper," along with lawyer and chief editor Abdel Hamid Dhari. "Al-Mustakil" is totally self-financed. "It's the first Iraqi paper which is not sponsored. That's why many people are against us," says Chaalan. The first edition was printed on May 15, now 5,000 copies go out into the Baghdad area every week. Including writers, editors and volunteers - nobody gets a salary - there's a staff of around 50. After a few editions, al-Mustakil became the talk of the town. It had some daring photos on the front page of mujahideen veiled by their keffieh (scarves) pleading resistance against the occupation. Both Chalaan and Dhari are from Falluja - the heart of Iraqi resistance. But the paper stopped short of calling for armed struggle.

US proconsul L Paul Bremer obviously didn't like it: any media in the new Iraq critical of the occupation is accused by Bremer of "incitement to violence". So on July 21 the Americans came in full force to the white house off Saadoun St. "Sixty armed soldiers, two Humvees, two Iraqi police cars," recalls Chaalan. "I was arrested. They took computers, disks, printers, everything. They took me to the police college, with my hands tied. I spent two weeks in a jail cell, with another 150 prisoners, mostly looters."

Chaalan was never interrogated, not even once, in those two weeks. Finally, he says that an Iraqi judge came to see him. Chaalan was inevitably accused of being a Ba'ath Party member. The judge found nothing, and Chalaan was released. As a result, al-Mustakil was closed for two months. Now it's back with a vengeance. The latest edition of September 20 carries five photos on the front page and a full account on page 4 of the Americans smashing into their office.

Chaalan and Dhari are crucial characters in the sense that they are intimately close to the eyes and the ears of the Iraqi popular resistance. "Any Iraqi who is loyal to the country does not agree with the occupation, under whatever name. UN forces will work under orders of the Americans, so we are against them all." Chaalan says that Iraqis would agree with UN forces, blue helmets, but not under American command. Their solution to the quagmire: "The American military leave Iraq, the UN comes with a multinational force." Al-Mustakil is positioned remarkably like the slain Swedish foreign minister, Anna Lindh, who just days before being murdered in a Stockholm department store this month was saying that "you cannot have a situation where the US remains in control over what happens in Iraq and at the same time others have to move in and take care of security and reconstruction".

Chaalan draws the inevitable parallel with Palestine. "Palestine is occupied. Iraq as well. It's the same kind of resistance. Only five months after the war, the Americans started suffering, and asked the UN for help. We will resist, even if it is for a hundred years."

Chaalan and Dhari simply can't believe the existence of Executive Order 13315, signed by US President George W Bush on August 28, which in fact places Iraq's state assets under the total control of the US Treasury: by all means the institutionalization of the looting of Iraq, under the banner of "Iraqi reconstruction". "It's not legal," says Dhari, "because nobody in Iraqi was consulted. When the Americans are gone, this paper means nothing." With this order in the bag, the Bush administration shouldn't lose much in case it is forced to hand over just a little control of Iraq to the UN.

Al-Mustakil expresses a widely-held view in Iraq: Saddam remains an American agent. He was secretly negotiating with the Americans, even during the war. And he remains under American protection. "[Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld stayed in Tikrit for 24 hours in his recent visit. Why?" Dhari lists oil as only one of the main reasons for war. The other major reason is redrawing the Middle East map. He mentions [Israeli Premier] Ariel Sharon's visit to India. "There will be a new security triangle [Israel, Iraq and India]. And Iraq will be the sponsor of this triangle with its oil."

Al-Mustakil is very much aware that for the Bush administration the main thing in Iraq is to privatize Iraq's oil, privatize Iraq's economy and to get the big US corporations in. There's no concern as to how the country will be run. Al-Mustakil considers the recent Iraq privatization announcement in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates by Iraq's "unknown" finance minister a sham: "Iraq was sold." This means that most, if not all, of the 25 members of the American-appointed Governing Council are not honest: "Most of them don't even have Iraqi nationality. They are privatizing everything except the oil, because the oil already belongs to America."

Al-Mustakil rejects the notion that the bombings of the Jordanian embassy, the UN headquarters in Baghdad and the Imam Ali Shrine in Najaf were conducted by Iraqis: the paper blames America, and especially Israel - a widely popular view. Says Dhari, "We have to see who benefits. First of all Israel. They want Iraq dismembered. Turkey also benefits - they want to take over Kirkuk. Turkey and Iran also want the same thing - dismember Iraq. Kuwait also benefits - it still remembers the Gulf War [of 1991]."

Al-Mustakil believes that the resistance will keep growing - spreading to the whole country. "Iran is saying to the Americans that if you press us with nuclear issues, we are going to tell the Shi'ites in Iraq to start resisting. Iran is saying 'leave us alone'. One word from al-Hawza [the powerful Shi'ite clergy, seated in Najaf] would be enough to launch a jihad. If the situation continues like this, al-Hawza will say the word. And the Americans know it."

Al-Mustakil considers an American failure irreversible. Says Chaalan, "When the Americans came from Kuwait, we said we wanted a national, honest government, and respect of basic freedoms. Before that, there must be a provisional government, elected by the Iraqi people. Their mission would be to write a constitution and to call independent elections - and then we would have a national government. And we wanted the re-starting of major services. From April to now, none of these demands were satisfied." Dhari is exasperated, "It's all a big lie, from 1968 to now, produced by the CIA [Central Intelligence Agency]."

Al-Mustakil holds that for the Iraqi resistance, "Saddam's cassettes are nothing but excuses for the Americans to stay longer: They can say there's danger coming from Saddam." Chaalan and Dhari are not preaching armed struggle: "We will resist, but with our paper." Most of all, al-Mustakil is forceful on the really crucial point: "The Iraqi resistance just wants to serve the Iraqi nation. It's a national resistance, with no relation to Saddam Hussein. And in addition to a nationalist sense, there's resistance that comes from the bad behavior of the American soldiers. They don't respect local customs, traditions, the privacy of women. They have nothing to give the Iraqi people."

Bremer and his masters of war in Washington may not be aware of it, "but it was the Americans themselves who created the Iraqi resistance".

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#3 Gentler but the same: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0924/p01s02-woiq.htm
Iraq's restive 'Sunni Triangle'
By Ann Scott Tyson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

TIKRIT, IRAQ - "Walah! By God! He's just a sick old man!" the Iraqi women wailed as US soldiers blindfolded a balding, gray-haired suspect during a predawn raid in downtown Tikrit.

The man claimed to be a firefighter. US military officers said he was Brig. Gen. Daher Ziana, the former security chief for Saddam Hussein's sprawling palaces. This time, the Americans were right.

More often, though, US forces find Iraqis they detain pose little threat. Since June, troops have seized thousands of Iraqis in aggressive sweeps in the "Sunni Triangle," the 100-mile swath from Baghdad north to Tikrit where 80 percent of guerrilla attacks occur. The bulk of people apprehended - 86 percent of the nearly 700 captives in two operations - are quickly freed.

To be sure, the tough American tactics come as resistance fighters mount increasingly sophisticated strikes on US troops in what has become Iraq's killing zone. Three more US soldiers died in coordinated ambushes last week in Tikrit.

Yet whether it's US infantrymen kicking in doors, or intelligence officers sifting through files, the difficulty of distinguishing friend from foe is stymieing the US-led occupation of Iraq. Each case of mistaken identity - from detaining a student instead of a Saddam Fedayeen, to putting a corrupt Baath Party official in power, to accidentally gunning down Iraqi police - alienates more of the Iraqi public.

The problem is stark in Tikrit, a stronghold of regime diehards, powerful tribes, and senior members of Mr. Hussein's Baath Party. Here, graffiti scrawled in English on city walls declares "Down Bosh!" and "No USA!" Slogans in Arabic proclaim "All love and loyalty to our leader Saddam Hussein!"

Each morning, a line of citizens shuffles past a Bradley Fighting Vehicle at the dusty, barbwired gate of a Tikrit military compound. Skirting a machine-gunner at the front door, they make their way to a public complaints office run by the Army's 4th Infantry Division.

Half of the visitors are inquiring about Iraqis detained by the US-led coalition. Ten percent are seeking compensation for damaged property or for relatives killed accidentally by American forces.

Army Spc. Frank Mejorado, a blunt-spoken artilleryman from Aurora, Ill., who runs the office, says the requests range from the serious to the absurd. "One old man claimed he wasn't married because American forces invaded Iraq. He wanted us to go find him a wife," says Specialist Mejorado. "I'm not running an escort service."

Much of the day, though, Mejorado repeats his mantra on detainees. "We don't beat them. We don't kill them. They have food, water, and a chance to shower," he says in a voice scratchy from overuse.

One recent morning, a woman wearing traditional black robes, her face creased with worry, came begging for the release of her 25-year-old son. "He was sleeping and the Americans came and arrested him" 18 days ago, says Sabri Kahlal Gomai, dabbing her face with a handkerchief.

Mejorado's brusque tone softens. "In order to get the bad people, sometimes we take innocent people," he explains. "If your son is truly innocent, he will be released soon," he says. "An asef - I'm sorry."

Sitting on a concrete ledge outside the Tikrit police station, patrolman Ali Hussein Jamel narrows his eyes and recalls the night that cooperating with American forces cost his friend a leg.

"A US headquarters was attacked, and they thought it was the [Iraqi] police, so they attacked us. My friend had his right leg amputated," says Mr. Jamel. In all, seven Iraqi patrolmen were injured, provincial police say. Similar tragic mix-ups, such as the accidental killing of 10 Iraqi police by US forces in Fallujah Sept. 12, reinforce the wariness of recruits such as Jamel.

"It's wrong to work with the Americans," he says to the nods of his comrades. "People are shooting at us all the time!"

In Tikrit and elsewhere, such suspicion is hampering cooperation between US forces and the 34,000 Iraqis hired as police nationwide - a force the coalition hopes to double next year. Indeed, US military police also doubt the motives and reliability of their Iraqi counterparts.

Under Saddam Hussein, powerful Iraqi secret police dominated while ordinary cops worked short hours and directed traffic. "We only did small jobs," says Maj. Gen. Muzhir Taha Hamed, chief of the 7,000-strong police force in Salahaddin Province, which includes Tikrit.

Today, US MPs must push recruits to work beyond 8 a.m. to 2 p.m., mount night patrols, and aggressively investigate crimes. Seeking to change the "military mind-set" of Iraqi trainees, they are spending $50 million to outfit the Salahaddin police with new uniforms, handcuffs in place of rags, and pistols instead of AK-47s. Moreover, in a three-week class, they are teaching Iraqi recruits basic ethics, such as refusing "gratuities" for their service and never forcing confessions by torture.

"There were a few who really thought torture was part of the process. If you couldn't get the information by interrogation, you just beat it out of them," said Sgt, 1st Class Michael Robledo of the 720th Military Police Battalion.

Some Iraqi police in Tikrit welcome the training and new power to enforce laws fairly. "Now we make the decisions," says Iraqi 1st Lt. Basel Misfer. "Before the war, Saddam Hussein's relatives were untouchable."

Others, however, tick off drawbacks to the US-Iraqi partnership.

"It's too dangerous, [we] want to stay alive," says Fadhel Mesher Mohammed, adding about that 30 of his colleagues have quit the Tikrit force. Several police suggested they patrol separately from US forces, to avoid being targeted as traitors. Police pay, ranging from $60 to $120 a month, is too low to compensate the risk, Mr. Mohammed complained. Moreover, he's lost the hefty "bonuses" from the resale of confiscated smuggled goods under the old regime.

The bottom line, says provincial chief Hamed: "Iraqis don't like Americans telling them what to do."

To counter such sentiments, US commanders have at times adopted Machiavellian tactics. North of Tikrit in Bayji, they set up a new police headquarters next to a US civil-military center. "Now if [guerrillas] shoot RPGs [rocket-propelled-grenades] at us at night, Iraqis are in the line of fire, so they have a great incentive to go out and find these guys," said one Army officer.

When Capt. Mike D'Annunzio wrote home from Iraq, the first books he asked for were "Catch-22" and "Through the Looking-Glass."

The novels sustain the Harvard-trained Army lawyer in his often maddening real-world job: Reforming the justice system in Tikrit, where for decades a dictator's word was law.

Figuring out who's who in a court system dominated by ex-Baath Party members is one of Captain D'Annunzio's hardest tasks. Salahaddin Province, with at least 600,000 people, boasts four times more party members than any other. "They're all thugs - just better or worse thugs. It's kind of like dealing with a mafia family," says, the tall, bespectacled D'Annunzio.

Still, D'Annunzio realizes the courts could not function without the provinces' 52 experienced judges - all former Baathists. The same dilemma exists with teachers, university professors, and doctors across Iraq. Like other US officers, D'Annunzio favors retaining benign regime holdovers whose technical skills keep basic institutions running.

One of those holdovers is Salah Khadar al-Jubouri, the province's silver-haired chief judge. Sitting behind a large wooden desk in his spacious Tikrit office, he explains that he had to join the party to attend law school. Now, he says, he is eager to deliver true justice. "And above me, there is a higher judge - God," he says.

Mr. Salah and other judges openly oppose some US-imposed legal reforms, such as the suspension of the death penalty. "If I don't impose the death penalty [in a murder case] the family of the victim will take revenge on their own," explains felony court Judge Shahb Ahmad Khader. "It will be like the jungle, the tiger eating the rabbit and the lion eating the mouse."

The judges also cling to old habits of patronage. As D'Annunzio leaves one meeting with Salah, a court employee corners him in the dirt parking lot. "The chief judge needs a new car. This one is not suitable for his position," he says pointedly. "You will do your best?"

Still, when civilian occupation authorities in Baghdad advised D'Annunzio to fire four Salahaddin judges, including Salah, he hesitated. The dismissal order amounted to "taking someone's political views and using it as grounds for removing them from office - in America, that would be unconstitutional," he countered. Besides, he said, "they've done everything I ask."

D'Annunzio and his interpreter scoured the judges' personnel files. They found no evidence against two of the judges. But documents showed Salah and another judge ranked within the top four tiers of the Baath Party, meaning they were barred from public sector jobs. Soon after, he fired Salah.

"[He] was upset but reacted in a very professional, almost eerily dignified way," says D'Annunzio. "At the end of the conversation, he offered me a candy from his dish as he had on every previous visit. His hand was trembling as he passed the dish."

An Army convoy rolls past fields and orchards to a gated farmhouse across the Tigris River from Tikrit. Ostensibly, the occasion is a social luncheon between US officers and influential tribesmen. Camouflaged by the grilled chicken, steaming pita bread and watermelon, however, some intense politicking is underway.

Capt. Dave Owens, the Salahaddin governor's US Army liaison, is on a mission to assuage the ego of Col. Jassam Hussein Jabara al-Jubouri.

The colonel, a key US ally, has been "ill" for two days and absent from his job as provincial security chief. In fact, he's threatening to resign over the failure of the US-appointed governor to fire the lieutenant governor, whom the colonel had investigated and accused of corruption.

Captain Owens brings excellent news. The governor, "advised" by Owens, fired his lieutenant that very morning. A wide smile lifts the colonel's black beard.

Hovering in a spotless white tunic, he urges the soldiers to partake heartily of the picnic spread before them on colorful quilts. He seems delighted as the Americans, literally, eat out of his hands. Back at work the next day, he kisses Owens on the cheek and hands him a string of blue worry beads.

Colonel Jubouri's power play illustrates how large tribes such as the Jubouri are making political inroads in US-occupied Iraq. The governor and police chief, to name a few, also belong to the Jubouri tribe. As part of Iraq's elite, such men are valuable sources of intelligence for the US military. Yet they also have a greater stake than other groups in excusing former Baathists and maintaining the status quo.

US commanders assert that they can replace at will the top provincial officials, whom they appointed. "They serve at our pleasure, and at any time we can have them removed," says Col. James Hickey, commander of the Fourth Infantry Division's 1st Brigade, which oversees a large region including Tikrit.

Yet a more symbiotic relationship appears to exist with the Jubouri tribe. Members of the tribe attempted to assassinate Hussein in January 1990, leading to a wave of arrests, retirements, and executions. Still, like many in Iraq, the tribe also benefited from preferential treatment and official sinecures under Hussein.

Gov. Hussein Jabara al-Jubouri, a former Republican Guard general, seems to relish his new job. "I used to be a very tough commander, but now I'm very peaceful politician. People say bad things about me, and I don't care," he says. He laughs off the RPG, small arms, and mortar strikes on his high-rise Tikrit headquarters as "weak attacks." Unbuttoning his shirt, he shows he wears no bulletproof vest.

Colonel Jubouri displays a similar bravado. He walks with a swagger that befits his personality, but actually resulted from a head wound sustained in the 1980s Iran-Iraq war. In 1991, he claims, he broke the arm of one of Hussein's personal bodyguards, who had opened fire during a tribal funeral. "Even Saddam threatened me because of that," he recalls. Today, Jubouri heads a special security force that protects the governor and reports on guerrilla activity. Coincidentally, the bodyguard he fought with was detained by US troops the day before.

Both men stress the need to co-opt ex-regime members who, if idle, could threaten the coalition. The province took the lead in distributing payments to the Iraqi Army, including 16,000 former soldiers in Tikrit. It made "exceptions" to allow 1,500 Baath Party members to retain their jobs. Finally, it assigned a deputy governor to promote "reconciliation commissions" - a move favored by some senior US commanders in Iraq.

Colonel Jubouri asserts that even members of Iraq's former intelligence agencies, such as the feared Mukhabarat, should be forgiven and employed. "Some security officers have asked me for a job," he says, as attendants serve tea. "There are 100,000 of these people in all Iraq - If we don't pay them and win them as friends, they will be our enemy."

Once Iraq has a new government, Jubouri says he hopes "our [American] friends will leave peacefully and return home."

As for his aspirations? "I would like to be part of the future Salahaddin government, such as lieutenant governor," he says, smiling over his role in ousting the man in that job. "There is an empty position now."
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Logic' of occupation points to more trouble
By Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON - An increasing number of calls by prominent members of Washington's handpicked, 25-member Governing Council in Iraq for the United States to more quickly transfer real power from US occupation authorities are adding to the embarrassment of the Bush administration.

But the calls also reflect real fears by pro-US Iraqis that Washington's occupation of their country represents not only a serious liability to their own political futures in Iraq, but is also the focus of a mounting anger among ordinary Iraqi civilians that apparently is feeding resistance to the occupation.

The latter fear is also shared increasingly by the US military, which is deeply concerned about the impact on morale and discipline among the troops carrying out occupation duties, especially those deployed to the so-called "Sunni Triangle" in central Iraq, where armed resistance to the occupation has been heaviest.

That resistance has fostered increased nervousness - and trigger-happiness - among US troops, who have been responsible for a number of recent incidents in which innocent civilians and other bystanders have been needlessly killed. Such incidents are potentially very costly, as the commander of coalition forces in Iraq, Lieutenant-General Ricardo Sanchez, admitted last week.

"We have seen that when we have an incident in the conduct of our operations when we killed an innocent civilian, based on their ethic, their values, their culture, they would seek revenge," he told the Times of London.

His statement confirmed what a growing number of officers and reporters have been saying for many weeks now: the sources of resistance to the US occupation go beyond "[Ba'athist] dead-enders, foreign terrorists and criminal gangs", as Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld described them last week, and that ordinary Iraqis, outraged by the behavior of US troops, are resorting to violence.

In the past two weeks, fatal incidents involving occupying soldiers have gained more media attention, beginning with the killing by US troops of eight Iraqi policemen and a Jordanian guard on September 12 in Fallujah, the center of resistance since last April, when US troops killed 18 people in two protests there. The latest case arose when the Iraqi police were chasing a vehicle on a main highway and were mistaken by the US troops for assailants.

In a separate incident, US soldiers mistook celebratory gunfire at a wedding in Fallujah for an attack and killed a 14-year-old boy nearby. Several days later, an Iraqi interpreter for an Italian diplomat working for the Coalition Provisional Authority was killed when a machine gunner aboard a Humvee fired a single shot into a car in which they were riding, apparently because the driver did not respond quickly enough to directions.

Also last week, US army troops opened fire without warning on an Associated Press reporter and photographer riding in two separate cars marked "press" in Khaldiya, where the police chief had been assassinated a few days earlier.

"As attacks against them continue, US soldiers are sometimes resorting to deadly force in a reckless and indiscriminate way," said Joe Stork, acting director of the Middle East division of Human Rights Watch (HRW), which investigated the incident.

In a separate incident investigated by HRW, an Iraqi national who works for the New York Times was physically assaulted and thrown to the ground twice by US troops at a military checkpoint set up shortly after an explosion had killed a US soldier and wounded another.

While no one was killed in the two last incidents, they tend to confirm reports that US troops in key parts of the country are increasingly jumpy, or as described by the driver of one of the AP cars. "The Americans were very nervous and frightened. They are very confused and suspicious of everything."

Those feelings contribute to a dangerous dialectic of their own, according to counter-insurgency specialists, who warn that the more nervous troops become, the less able they are to establish confidence with the people whose trust and cooperation they need in order to carry out their mission.

As one unidentified officer told the Philadelphia Inquirer last week, "Soldiers who have just conducted combat against dark-skinned personnel wearing civilian clothes have difficulty trusting dark-skinned personnel wearing civilian clothes."

Adding to civilian anger, of course, are sweeps carried out by US forces in which scores of people have been rounded up and taken away. Some 6,000 people are currently detained by the military in Iraq; most of them are being held incommunicado.

"The predictable results are an increase in guerrilla recruits, intensified repression by occupation forces and an ever-escalating spiral of violence," according to Richard Rubinstein, a professor of conflict resolution at George Mason University outside Washington.
Even relatively innocent abuses by US troops - such as this week's shooting of a rare Bengal tiger at the Baghdad zoo after it bit an intoxicated soldier who had reached into its cage to feed it - become symbolic of the alien, not to say boorish, nature of the occupiers and feed anger against them.

This, indeed, is the "logic of occupation" that French officials have warned against and whose warnings, ironically, are now being parroted by members of the Governing Council, including most recently Ahmed Chalabi, the favorite of the neo-conservative hawks in the Pentagon who led the drive to war.

The council, which late last week called for US troops to withdraw from towns and cities to bases and turn over police duties to Iraqi militias and police, has clearly reached the conclusion that the occupation is turning into a disaster.

"The Iraqi people understand the logic of liberation and they reject the logic of occupation," said Chalabi, who has joined other council members in opposing Washington's solicitation of foreign troops to participate in the occupation. The administration is pressing Turkey, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and South Korea to contribute a total of some 40,000 troops to lighten the US load.

But for now, US officials insist that local security forces, including the militias, are not prepared to take on that responsibility. They also suggest that empowering the militias could end up dividing Iraq into regional fiefdoms controlled by warlords, similar to the situation in Afghanistan.

But they are also deeply divided about what to do, with many neo-conservatives arguing for increasing US forces to ensure security and others, such as Rumsfeld, insisting that doing so would not only create new political problems for the administration, but also would risk promoting greater resistance.

(Inter Press Service)
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Majority In Baghdad Say War Worth It

By Jennifer Harper, The Washington Times

The war in Iraq has been worth the hardship, according to those who have lived through both.

Despite continued violence and few basic amenities, 62 percent of Baghdad residents believe the ousting of Saddam Hussein justified "any hardships they might have personally suffered," according to a Gallup poll released yesterday.

Gallup went to the source, conducting face-to-face, 70-minute private interviews with more than 1,000 eager respondents in their homes three weeks ago. The cooperation rate was more than 97 percent, Gallup said, categorizing the poll as "the first rigorous and scientifically conducted sampling of public sentiment in Iraq."

The numbers also revealed growing hope and confidence among Baghdad residents, though almost all felt their city had become more dangerous in recent months.

While one in three say postwar Iraq is better off now, 67 percent believe their country will be far improved in five years.

"American effort is only going to work if Iraqis buy into it," Gallup International poll director Richard Burkholder said yesterday. "That's why the good faith and optimism of the citizens are so important."

Another 36 percent had favorable views of the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority, with 43 percent giving it a "middling" rating, according to the poll. In addition, 50 percent said the authority was doing a better job than it did two months ago

"CPA administrator Paul Bremer is well thought of personally," the poll stated, noting that Mr. Bremer had received a 47 percent favorability rating.

The new 25-member Iraqi Governing Council won approval: It was viewed positively by 61 percent of Baghdad's residents, with a quarter saying their impression was "very favorable."

The good feelings fade, however, on a more global scale.

Only 29 percent of those polled had a positive view of the United States, while 24 percent had a positive view of Britain, "which ruled Iraq as a mandate until the country was granted independence in 1932," the poll noted.

Though France vigorously opposed the Iraq war, it won more Iraqi admirers than the two liberators: 55 percent had a positive view of the French.

Resentment of new authority may linger as well: 75 percent of the Baghdadis believe that policies and decisions made by their local governing council are "mostly determined" by the British and Americans.

The Gallup poll of 1,178 Baghdad adults was conducted from Aug. 28 to Sept. 4.

Americans, meanwhile, have their own ideas about Iraq.

A Pew Research survey also released yesterday found that 63 percent of Americans thought the use of military force in Iraq was the "right decision," while 62 percent said the effort was going "very well" or "fairly well."

Fifty-one percent said Mr. Bush took the appropriate action at the right time, and 54 percent said the war helped the fight against terrorism. More than three-quarters — 79 percent — thought the Iraqis "are happy Saddam had been removed," though 47 percent said the Iraqis probably opposed American policies in their country.

But 11 percent believed the United States had done a poor job addressing the "interests and needs of the Iraqi people."
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Considering how bad Saddam was do you feel good that only 62% felt it was worth the hardships?
To compare the US occupation to Saddam is hardly an ringing endorsement and from these numbers one might conclude ( which I dont) that 38% feel us worse then Saddam.
None of this nor painting schoolhouses etc excuses the behavior of our troops. I do not think they are evil but there is obviously a lot of pressure. And there would certainly would seem to be a shoot-first approach which has chain of command approval.
You may be sure that each real as well as imaginary shootings are spread not only across Iraq but the Arab world
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Considering how bad Saddam was do you feel good that only 62% felt it was worth the hardships?
To compare the US occupation to Saddam is hardly an ringing endorsement and from these numbers one might conclude ( which I dont) that 38% feel us worse then Saddam.
None of this nor painting schoolhouses etc excuses the behavior of our troops. I do not think they are evil but there is obviously a lot of pressure. And there would certainly would seem to be a shoot-first approach which has chain of command approval.
You may be sure that each real as well as imaginary shootings are spread not only across Iraq but the Arab world
Sarge--that's not the type of article Schwartz wants posted here. Go to "the Guardian" (a reputable and non-bias source of news about the state of affairs in Iraq) and find some anecdotal story about a soldier that killed a tiger or shot some civilians.

The point of this thread is to make the US and Bush look bad--truth is not what should be posted here.
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Would these by any chance be the same US Troops whose sacrifices have guaranteed the safety of Americans for 200 years ??

Thirty years ago it was Jane Fonda sighting down US Jets from a North Vietnamese AA Gun position before returning home to resume her decidedly non socialist lifestyle with a string of wealthy husbands

St Joan of Hanoi :

http://vikingphoenix.com/public/rong...a/fondagun.htm

Now its an endless stream of one sided articles written for the benefit of people who have never been anywhere near a battlefield.

Again I'm posting this link for those who have a genuine sense of moral responsibility - sign up here :

http://www.vso.org.uk/

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Again I'm posting this link for those who have a genuine sense of moral responsibility - sign up here :
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Not a lot of that around here, unfortunately.
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Sarge--that's not the type of article Schwartz wants posted here. Go to "the Guardian" (a reputable and non-bias source of news about the state of affairs in Iraq) and find some anecdotal story about a soldier that killed a tiger or shot some civilians.

The point of this thread is to make the US and Bush look bad--truth is not what should be posted here.
Sadly enough I believe youre right Mulder.
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If you are comparing me to Ms. Fonda, I would have been proud to be the child of Henry Fonda.

American soldiers have done some great things and like all groups of people some not so great things like Andersonville and Sands Creek and My Lai.
Either one of two things are true either there is an anti-american conspiracy of reporters making up these stories or at least some of them are true.
These guys were lied to they thought that they would be welcomed with open arms, not locked and loaded arms. And despite the time they were sitting in Kuwait, they were given no proper training in being an occupying force, thanks to the neo-con fantasy
These guys are going to have to live with what they are doing now the rest of their lives. Many will still have very bad memories when Rummy and Wolfie and the rest are six feet deep.
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No I'm not comparing you to Jane Fonda. Though as you reference My Lai you will also be aware that the NVA massacred 6000 civilians in Hue in 1968 at the time the Ist Marine Division was trying to cross the Perfume River. That was widely known at the time - so 'Ms' Fonda would certainly have been aware of it upon her visit in 1972. Yet she still chose to turn a blind eye to that and their many other atrocities. What sort of morality is that ?

Yes there are American, British, Canadian soldiers who have killed when they could have captured, or on occasion miurdered someone out of hand. But my point is that these rare examples yet they are held up as being typical of these people. Furthermore the most vitriolic comments come from people on the left who never have and never would serve their country. It is ironic that the same section of the commmunity who is so quick to invoke their 'rights' are the most vocal in their criticism of the Police and the Armed Forces. Yet these people by the nature of their work make it possible for the same people who defame them to enjoy their rights.

I am well aware that American soldiers are not there to hand out 'fluffy bunnies' to Iraqi children. I am also aware that innocent civilians have been killed in airstrikes, or shootings, etc. Yet the overwhelming majority of the personnel do there job despite the fact they are under constant threat from snipers, booby traps, and ambushes - and the perpetrators of those attacks would not worry in the slightest if Iraqi civilians get caught in the crossfire. Given that many of these same individuals were until recently part of the state security apparatus that routinely tortured and murdered people for the slightest reason, or even for none at all other than they could.

If Bush were the war criminal he is constantly painted, and the US Armed Forces made up of bloodthirsty killers or psycopaths then the war could have been over on day one with a tactical nuclear strike. After all would any country have declared war in response to such an attack ? No they would not. Neiher Russia, China, or the European Union would have done anything more than protest at the United Nations.

Again I raise the issue of silence on the part of those on the left to the 100,000 Chechens killed by Russian airpower during their 'police action' and the 10,000 Chines pro democracy demonstrators murdered in Tiananmen Square.

Some months ago I posted here about the large number of 18 - 30 years old who participated in an anti war demonstration, the majority of whom were wearing American Jeans, American Football / Baseball shirts, andexpensive trainers made by people in the Third World who are forced to work under harsh conditions merely to put a meagre meal on their table. So either these demonstrators are extremely ignorant - or they suffer 'selective awareness syndrome'.

I say to anyone who is genuinely motivated by humanitarian concerns - if you have a spare room in your home offer it to a homeless person, if you have a comfortable income then divert your surplus to the cause of alleviating poverty, and if you have a skill then utilise it for the benefit of the people in whose name you protest so vocally.

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No I'm not comparing you to Jane Fonda. Though as you reference My Lai you will also be aware that the NVA massacred 6000 civilians in Hue in 1968 at the time the Ist Marine Division was trying to cross the Perfumr River. That was widely known at the time - so 'Ms' Fonda would certainly have been aware of it upon her visit in 1972. Yet she still chose to turn a blind eye to that and their many other atrocities. What sort of morality is that ?

Yes there are American, British, Canadian soldiers who have killed when they could have captured, or on occasion miurdered someone out of hand. But my point is that these rare examples yet they are held up as being typical of these people. Furthermore the most vitriolic comments come from people on the left who never have and never would serve their country. It is ironic that the same section of the commmunity who is so quick to invoke their 'rights' are the most vocal in their criticism of the Police and the Armed Forces. Yet these people by the nature of their work make it possible for the same people who defame them to enjoy their rights.

I am well aware that American soldiers are not there to hand out 'fluffy bunnies' to Iraqi children. I am also aware that innocent civilians have been killed in airstrikes, or shootings, etc. Yet the overwhelming majority of the personnel do there job despite the fact they are under constant threat from snipers, booby traps, and ambushes - and the perpetrators of those attacks would not worry in the slightest if Iraqi civilians get caught in the crossfire. Given that many of these same individuals were until recently part of the state security apparatus that routinely tortured and murdered people for the slightest reason, or even for none at all other than they could.

If Bush were the war criminal he is constantly painted, and the US Armed Forces made up of bloodthirsty killers or psycopaths then the war could have been over on day one with a tactical nuclear strike. After all would any country have declared war in response to such an attack ? No they would not. Neiher Russia, China, or the European Union would have done anything more than protest at the United Nations.

Again I raise the issue of silence on the part of those on the left to the 100,000 Chechens killed by Russian airpower during their 'police action' and the 10,000 Chines pro democracy demonstrators murdered in Tiananmen Square.

Some months ago I posted here about the large number of 18 - 30 years old who participated in an anti war demonstration, the majority of whom were wearing Aerican Jeans, American Football / Baseball shirts, andexpensive trainers made by people in the Third World who are forced to work under harsh conditions merely to put a meagre meal on their table. So either these demonstrators are extremely ignorant - or they suffer 'selective awareness syndrome'.

I say to anyone who is genuinely motivated by humanitarian concerns - if you have a spare room in your home offer it to a homeless person, if you have a comfortable income then divert your surplus to the cause of alleviating poverty, and if you have a skill then utilise it for the benefit of the people in whose name you protest so vocally.
There's a short answer--its called "hypocrisy".

BTW--RSM, is it refreshing to see someone outside the United States that has some common sense and a level moral compass. I realize it is extremely difficult with the proliferation of leftist trash that is printed in most of the European press. I truly feel sorry for you because while we have the same here in the US, we do not have it to anywhere near the same degree as you do in Europe. And foruntately, we still have an even balance between the left and common sense (at least for the time being) unlike the proliferation of lefties you have in Europe.
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Paradise.
If ... everyone ... had the ... same ... religious belief, based in science, then these things would not happen at all.

One God, No graven imagery, Not killing, Not stealing, Not coveting, No tobacco, No pornography, No brothels, No crime, No poverty, Birth control for family planning, logic and common sense, coupled with careful, loving and caring regulation.

But no we spend our time "playing" cops and robbers, and all of the childish things which show just how truly ... uncivilised ... we are.

Peace on Earth and Goodwill?

Let us hope so and then, one day, one very, very special day, we may see the return of the dream we had when we were all children and our parents loved us and we loved them in return.

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