[khaki]

Maybe it's my turn to cut and paste....
cuz this is just too much of a bullseye to resist

What Democrats believe
Rich Lowry

September 25, 2003

A presidential primary is a way for a political party to make up its mind. Through the process of nominating a candidate, a party figures out its stances on the new issues and what adjustments, if any, it will make in its positions on the old. So with that, through their collective rhetoric and actions, the 10 Democratic candidates have arrived at the outlines of a rough philosophy -- the credo of the Democrats of '04.

This credo is often nonsensical and hypocritical, but it is clearly discernible. The Democrats of '04 believe:

That wars should be authorized, but never fought.

That the United Nations is the world's last, best hope, and every jot of its writ should always be respected, unless it inconveniences Saddam Hussein.

That nation-building is always a humanitarian and just cause, unless it is undertaken in Iraq.

That anyone who said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction prior to the war was lying, unless his or her name is Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madeleine Albright, Bill Cohen, John Kerry or Joe Lieberman, or the person ever served in the Clinton cabinet or as a Democratic senator.

That French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin is always right.

That President Bush isn't devoting enough resources to the reconstruction of Iraq, and that -- in light of his $87 billion aid proposal -- he is devoting far too many resources to the reconstruction of Iraq.

That George Bush maneuvering the United States into war is an act of manipulative genius, and also is very stupid.

That (fill in blank with latest conflict here) is another Vietnam.

That the U.S. military is overextended -- and should be

smaller.

That unilateral U.S. diplomatic pressure is always wrong, unless it is brought to bear on Israel.

That it is absolutely necessary for the cause of clean government for candidates to abide by the limits set by the presidential public-financing system, unless they -- like Kerry and Howard Dean -- have enough money not to.

That big money corrupts politics, unless it is big money raised by California Gov. Gray Davis.

That punch-card ballots are a travesty of justice, unless they elect a Democrat (as they did in California just one year ago).

That Bush is bankrupting the federal government, but is a tightfisted ogre for countenancing only a $400 billion new prescription-drug benefit.

That Bush is fiscally profligate, but isn't spending enough on education, "first responders," health care or anything else not called "defense."

That the nation cannot afford the pending retirement of the baby boomers, but the baby boomers should get more benefits for their pending retirements.

That Bush is responsible for an economic downturn that began before he was elected and that Clinton is responsible for an economic recovery that began before he was elected (here at last -- a kind of consistency!).

That small-business owners are the heart of the economy unless they succeed, at which point they become "the rich."

That it is evil to be rich, unless you got that way by

marrying Teresa Heinz.

That it is wrong to be a millionaire, unless you got that way by suing people.

That the sons of the upper-crust Northeastern elite are always and everywhere out-of-touch, unless they are named Howard Dean.

That it is unseemly to mix military matters with politics,

but you should vote for FORMER GENERAL Wesley Clark, and salute when you do so.

That a deranged candidate should not be elected president, unless he is named Bob Graham.

That no child should be left behind, unless it is in an urban public-school system.

That no child should be left behind, unless it is in the womb.

That the Patriot Act is denying Americans their liberties, and John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, John Edwards or Bob Graham should be elected president after having voted for it.

That deposing John Ashcroft would be preferable to deposing Mullah Omar.

That library records are sacred, but the Constitution -- a "living document" subject to manipulation by judges -- is not.

Maybe some open-minded readers of this article can understand the frustration that conservatives/Republicans encounter when trying to debate issues here.

It's easy for the Democrats to question and complain about everything....
the problem is.... that they have some of the most convoluted logic.... and none of it seems to result in any viable answers to anything (other than simple Bush-bashing)

For those who desperately want Bush out.....
is the Democratic party providing the leadership and answers that give you confidence that they are the answer?

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by khaki:
It's easy for the Democrats to question and complain about everything....
the problem is.... that they have some of the most convoluted logic.... and none of it seems to result in any viable answers to anything (other than simple Bush-bashing)

Been readin Schwartzy and Stoner posts again, I see. Did I not warn you about that?

Originally posted by khaki:
For those who desperately want Bush out.....
is the Democratic party providing the leadership and answers that give you confidence that they are the answer?

Ahhhh, NO!

[Davec]

I was facinated by Gen Clark's statement that the Bush taxe cuts were causing more problems for the Social Security system. Doesn't he know that's a completely differenyt tax?

[Mulderator]

Ironically, I would actually rather have Joe Lierberman as President (or any other that supported military action to combat terrorism) then Bush because there are a slew of hypoctrical Dems (a number of them on this board) that would support military action if a Democrat made the decision. Most Republicans would also support it, which would mean we would finally have unity in our actions against terrorism. To me, that is far more important than the domestic policies I would disagree with.

Not only that, Democrats love lawyers and lawsuits, so I always benefit personally with Democrats in office.

I was facinated by Gen Clark's statement that the Bush taxe cuts were causing more problems for the Social Security system. Doesn't he know that's a completely differenyt tax?

Yes, he knows, but as usual with democrats, they don't think we are smart enough to know.

[ComputerFix]

That President Bush isn't devoting enough resources to the reconstruction of Iraq, and that -- in light of his $87 billion aid proposal -- he is devoting far too many resources to the reconstruction of Iraq.

I almost fell of my chair laughing!

I have seen this very thing epitomized in a series of posts right here!

Of course, you do realize that pointing out such a contradiction just shows how illogical and insensitive and blinded we conservatives all are.

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by ComputerFix:
I almost fell of my chair laughing!

I have seen this very thing epitomized in a series of posts right here!

Of course, you do realize that pointing out such a contradiction just shows how illogical and insensitive and blinded we conservatives all are.

Well, funny thing is I am so used to this sort of "logic" and so used to the inability of the left to acknowledge it that you become "numb" to it.

Like Grey-Out Davis. They asked him at a townhall meeting why he was giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens and his response was that they "are driving anyway" so we might as well make sure they are fit to drive by having them pass the driver's test

Hello---McFly!!! They are already driving without a license!!!! Does the idiot really think these people are going to stop driving if they fail the driving test?

You really have to just shake your head in complete and utter astonishment at the stupidity.

[GoneForNow]

Originally posted by Mulder:
Well, funny thing is I am so used to this sort of "logic" and so used to the inability of the left to acknowledge it that you become "numb" to it.

Like Grey-Out Davis. They asked him at a townhall meeting why he was giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens and his response was that they "are driving anyway" so we might as well make sure they are fit to drive by having them pass the driver's test

Hello---McFly!!! They are already driving without a license!!!! Does the idiot really think these people are going to stop driving if they fail the driving test?

You really have to just shake your head in complete and utter astonishment at the stupidity.

Actually, there is a method to his madness (money really). If you charge each of the illegals 25 to 30 bucks per license (the cost to the State is pennies) you pump more money into the States' general fund. So if they are going to drive anyway might as well make a little money off of them. A Republican idea I would say (except a true Republican would have their arses deported right after collecting the 30 bucks )

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by gbrumb:
Actually, there is a method to his madness (money really). If you charge each of the illegals 25 to 30 bucks per license (the cost to the State is pennies) you pump more money into the States' general fund. So if they are going to drive anyway might as well make a little money off of them. A Republican idea I would say (except a true Republican would have their arses deported right after collecting the 30 bucks )

Actually, no. They estimate that the administrative costs will exceed the fees for the license.

[ComputerFix]

Originally posted by Mulder:
Actually, no. They estimate that the administrative costs will exceed the fees for the license.

See GB, if it was a Republican plan not only would it have created a windfall, there would have been kickbacks to a plastic supplier, probably the third cousin twice removed of the Lt. Governor.

[khaki]

See GB, if it was a Republican plan not only would it have created a windfall, there would have been kickbacks to a plastic supplier, probably the third cousin twice removed of the Lt. Governor.

but.....
as a Democratic plan.....
it is looked upon as dollars-per-vote....
and nothing matters more to Democrats than votes (since they are ill-suited to generate many by virtue of thier policies alone )

Illegal immigrant mean much to the Democratic party.... if they are allowed to vote.
Otherwise..... the Dems could really care less about any of them

Legal licenses for illegal non-citizens.
Yeah........ great freakin idea

there is no shame among the Dems...
they sell America for the price of a vote

sell-out America and watch it sink into the sh!thole they have destined it to become.

[ComputerFix]

but.....
as a Democratic plan.....
it is looked upon as dollars-per-vote....

Well dang, no wonder the parties don't get along, dollars or votes

(btw, I was just being funny in both posts)

[khaki]

Originally posted by ComputerFix:
Well dang, no wonder the parties don't get along, dollars or votes

(btw, I was just being funny in both posts)

just so you know.....

it is not obvious when you are being "funny" (please be more sarcastic in the future )

(see my posts for reference )

[columbo]

Hello---McFly!!!

I always knew you were the "Biff" of TSG.

[Mulderator]

Originally posted by columbo:
I always knew you were the "Biff" of TSG.

Close--I'm the "Boff" of TSG--well, for the girls anyway!