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25-Oct-2003, 07:42 PM #1
janice rogers brown
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http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200310230854.asp

Here that great stateman Oran Hatch does the Clarence thomas reverse race card

Hatch then did something that put Democrats on the defensive for much of the day. Brown is opposed by a number of old-line civil-rights groups, and her nomination has been greeted with sometimes-vicious criticism in the black community. To illustrate that, Hatch unveiled a blow-up of a cartoon that had appeared on a website called BlackCommentator.com. The cartoon portrayed Brown as a fat black woman with huge lips, an unruly Afro, and an enormous backside. In the cartoon, President Bush is introducing her to other blacks in government. "Welcome to the federal bench, Ms. Clarence...I mean, Ms. Rogers Brown," the president says. "You'll fit right in." To the side, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice stand applauding.

"Now I want to make clear that I am not referring to any of my colleagues here on the committee," Hatch said as he revealed the cartoon. "But let me show you what I am talking about — an example of how low Justice Brown's attackers will sink to smear a qualified African-American jurist who doesn't parrot their views. I hope that everyone here considers this cartoon offensive and despicable."

Everyone did, or at least said they did. For the rest of the hearing, Democrats repeatedly condemned the cartoon and asked Hatch to remove it from display. He declined, and it remained on an easel beside the dais.

well I went to www.blackcommintator.com and then to the cartoonists website http://www.bendib.com/ which I invite you to do before you might want to comment on the tactics of Orin Hatch (the man who never flatulates)
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25-Oct-2003, 08:20 PM #2
PL, I'm not conversant on Brown.
But the last para at NRO does state:



In the end, what was striking was how little Democrats seemed inclined to dig into the actual questions involved in the cases Brown has decided; each time Brown delivered a crisp defense of her reasoning, Democrats simply moved on to another sound bite. It was as if Durbin and his colleagues had chosen to make a series of short-form attacks, get the hearing out of the way, and then move on to the more serious matter of filibustering Brown's nomination.


I don't like Hatch, but the article did read like Hatch was complaining about Brown's depiction and the Dems were ticked at having to look at the toon
while they grilled her.


What were the details of her cases that the Dems should have been reviewing?




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No time to sort thru threads trying to figure out what you mean here..........
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It's on 1393 now Am I looking at the right thread?
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He's dyslexic, Candy...

I think he meant 1389.
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What were the details of her cases that the Dems should have been reviewing?
Any of them.

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At times, Democrats did not seem to know the details of the cases Brown had decided — she often had to remind them what issue was actually being decided in a particular case — but they suggested that her opinions somehow reflected an insensitivity to the "downtrodden and disadvantaged."

Now, I am sure that you, just as much as I, think it a major drag when the "little guy" loses. But I also think that you understand that the law doesn't allow for an automatic "little guy" win.

The idea seems to be to emphasize that she is insensitive and unsympathetic, but there doesn't seem to be any legal complaint about her opinions. By that I mean no one is showing how her rulings (either majority or minority) are legally incorrect, just that they don't like the ones that didn't place the verdict in favor of the "downtrodden and disadvantaged". The law doesn't allow her to do that, even if we would like her, or any other judge, to anyway.

Now, she could very well be unqualified, but it doesn't seem that anyone wants to show that, but rather to "play politics" with her nomination.

I wish I would have cought the hearings on CSPAN or something.
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PLS the correct addy is http://www.blackcommentator.com/
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Sorry Candy
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Actually my short term memory especially for numbers is really shot. Usually I would cut and paste it.
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It seems in that thread though, there have been cut and pastes and quoted posts....I think it's best if you just repost it here rather than me trying to do a split and merge
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various comments on Judge Browns fitness
http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004617.html
Next Judical Battle: Janice Rogers Brown

The next battle over President Bush's controversial judicial nominees is likely to be fought over conservative California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown.
Her nomination could come before the Senate Judiciary Committee as soon as next week.

The bashing of Brown -- nominated in July to the prestigious U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit -- is expected to get more intense as the confirmation date approaches. Opponents are actively lobbying senators to vote against her, and a highly critical, 2-month-old report by the NAACP and the People for the American Way is being distributed throughout the Senate.

Also troubling for Brown is that no major black law group backs her, now that the National Bar Association and the California Association of Black Lawyers have joined the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in panning the justice. Nan Aron, president of the left-leaning, Washington, D.C.-based Alliance for Justice, says opposition will come from all fronts -- not only black groups, but also women's organizations and pro-abortion associations.

"We will do everything we possibly can to ensure that she's not confirmed," Aron says. "We are working on a report and plan to release it to coincide with the announcement of her hearing."

We hope it's goodbye time to Judge Brown. Our prior coverage of her is here. We highly recommend you read this report on Judge Brown , prepared by People for the American Way.

The report released today, “Loose Cannon,” notes that when Brown was nominated to the state supreme court in 1996, she was found unqualified by the state bar evaluation committee, based not only on her relative inexperience but also because she was “prone to inserting conservative political views into her appellate opinions” and based on complaints that she was “insensitive to established precedent.”

The report carefully examines Brown’s record since she joined the court, especially her numerous dissenting opinions concerning civil and constitutional rights. Brown’s many disturbing dissents, often not joined by a single other justice, make it clear that she would use the power of an appeals court seat to try to erect significant barriers for victims of discrimination to seek justice in the courts, and to push an agenda that would undermine privacy, equal protection under the law, environmental protection, and much more.

According to the press release for the PFAW Report, the NAACP is similarly critica of Judge Brown:

“For the administration to bring forward a nominee with this record and hope to get some kind of credit because she is the first African American woman nominated to the DC Circuit is one more sign of the administration’s political cynicism.”

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http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/s...ices/brown.htm
Since May 2, 1996, Janice Brown has been an Associate Justice of the California Supreme Court. From November 4, 1994, she was an Associate Justice of the Third District Court of Appeal in Sacramento. From January 7, 1991, to November 1994, Ms. Brown served as Legal Affairs Secretary to Governor Pete Wilson. The job included diverse duties, ranging from analysis of administration policy, court decisions, and pending legislation to advice on clemency and extradition questions. The Legal Affairs Office monitored all significant state litigation and had general responsibility for supervising departmental counsel and acting as legal liaison between the Governor's office and executive departments.

Prior to joining Governor Wilson's senior staff, Brown was an associate at Nielsen, Merksamer, Parrinello, Mueller & Naylor, a government and political law firm.

Before joining the firm in January 1990, Brown served for two and a half years as Deputy Secretary and General Counsel for the state's Business, Transportation and Housing Agency, working primarily with business regulatory departments. Brown came to BT&H after eight years (1979-1987) in the Attorney General's Office, where she worked in both the criminal and civil divisions.

From 1977 to 1979, Brown worked for the Legislative Counsel.

Please see: http://www.independentjudiciary.com/...rt%20FINAL.pdf
which is a pdf document I cant copy

http://saveourcourts.civilrights.org...s.cfm?id=16920
The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the nation's oldest, largest, and most diverse civil rights coalition, has launched the Save Our Courts campaign to oppose the Bush administration's extremist nominees to the federal courts.

The individuals charged with dispensing justice in our society have a direct impact on all of our rights, as well as on protecting the environment, workers, and consumers. The nation's federal judges - who are appointed for life - must be moderate, fair and impartial. What could be more important than saving our courts from extremist ideologues?

will this groups opinion counter one ill-advised cartoon forwarded by Orin (always closed rear) Hatch


http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1066080420
The Battle Over Janice Rogers Brown
Mike McKee
The Recorder
10-15-2003


Even in an era when bitter confirmation fights are routine, the nomination of California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown to the federal bench is shaping up to be one of the most contentious yet for the Bush administration.

Attacks on Brown have been under way since the day she was nominated almost three months ago, with critics denouncing the 54-year-old's judicial philosophy and temperament, and vowing to block a conservative nominee they fear is being groomed for the U.S. Supreme Court. Although no date has been set for a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, opponents say it could come as soon as next week, and supporters say Brown had better be prepared for rough sailing.

"I expect she'll get tougher treatment than Miguel Estrada," says Eric Claeys, a conservative assistant professor at St. Louis University School of Law who has written about the Senate confirmation wars. "She has a paper trail, and Estrada didn't." Sacramento lawyer Steven Merksamer thinks Claeys could be correct, and says it's a shame his old friend likely will face hostile questioning.

"She is smart, she is charming, she understands the role of a judge and she fulfills that role with great skill, confidence and integrity," the Nielsen, Merksamer, Parrinello & Mueller partner says. "Now what I worry is, will it matter how well she does? Will senators simply believe this is a Bush appointee they simply don't want and not vote on her qualifications?"

The bashing of Brown -- nominated in July to the prestigious U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit -- is expected to get more intense as the confirmation date approaches. Opponents are actively lobbying senators to vote against her, and a highly critical, 2-month-old report by the NAACP and the People for the American Way is being distributed throughout the Senate.

Also troubling for Brown is that no major black law group backs her, now that the National Bar Association and the California Association of Black Lawyers have joined the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in panning the justice. Nan Aron, president of the left-leaning, Washington, D.C.-based Alliance for Justice, says opposition will come from all fronts -- not only black groups, but also women's organizations and pro-abortion associations.

"We will do everything we possibly can to ensure that she's not confirmed," Aron says. "We are working on a report and plan to release it to coincide with the announcement of her hearing."

Brown is famous for tart dissents that lash out at her colleagues. But one person familiar with the California Supreme Court says she might face more scrutiny for some over-the-top speeches.

"I had initially thought that she might be spared a filibuster," this person says, "but I think she's basically in line with the selected handful that the full Senate has reserved for that procedural mechanism -- just because she has a lengthy track record as a judge, and her speeches, in particular, say more about her than the opinions. They reflect her sort of philosophical or ideological bent, irrespective of the law.

"She's going to face a daunting task getting through a Senate confirmation," this person says.

Conservative supporters, however, are going all out to counter that possibility.

"We are right now working to inform advocates on our side about Justice Brown's credentials and urging them to vigorously support the nomination," says Clint Bolick, the Phoenix-based vice president of Washington's Institute for Justice. "We will also comment on the nomination and push for her in the public forum, working with journalists and sending out copies of her opinions."

Liberals reacted to Brown's nomination swiftly and harshly, reminiscent of the response to Estrada.

One month after Brown was nominated, People for the American Way and the NAACP issued a 39-page report calling Brown "the far right's dream judge" and accusing her of being hostile to constitutional rights and failing to follow established precedent. Titled "Loose Cannon," the report ripped many of Brown's rulings and dissents case by case. Washington-based NARAL Pro-Choice America, meanwhile, issued a statement pointing out that Brown originally was found not qualified for the California Supreme Court, and calling her a "troubling addition" to the federal courts.

Last month, the American Bar Association gave Brown a tepid "qualified/not qualified" rating. By contrast, Estrada had received a unanimous rating of "well qualified." One online journal, The Black Commentator, went so far as to run an unflattering cartoon of Brown as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas "in a fright wig."

The California Association of Black Lawyers echoed that theme in opposing Brown's nomination in its most recent in-house journal.

"As one of our founding members and past president of the National Bar Association, Robert L. Harris, so eloquently stated, ‘We should always remember that a "White" Justice Stevens, for example, is a thousand times better for Black America than a "Black" Justice Clarence Thomas,'" an editorial stated.

Robert Alt, a fellow in constitutional studies and jurisprudence at the conservative John M. Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs in Ashland, Ohio, says liberals quickly targeted Brown because she appears to be a credible candidate for the Supreme Court. It's often said that the D.C. Circuit serves as a training ground for the nation's highest court.

Alt calls the comparisons of Brown and Justice Thomas "subtle racism" that doesn't surprise him, especially since liberals dubbed Estrada -- who gave up trying to get on the D.C. Circuit after facing two years of opposition capped by an unbreakable filibuster -- the "Hispanic Thomas."

"Those who break from what's seen as the traditional liberal line in the African-American community," he says, "tend to have a more difficult time."

Opponents say Brown's race has nothing to do with their stance. It's just her ideology, they say.

"Brown is so far out of the legal mainstream on issues like the right to privacy," says David Seldin, spokesman for NARAL Pro-Choice America, "as to raise serious concerns about her ability to judge impartially on a tremendously powerful court."

Ralph Neas, president of the Washington-based People for the American Way, puts it in stronger language. "She embraces the extremism of Thomas and [Justice Antonin] Scalia," he says, "as well as the abrasiveness and lack of judicial temperament."

But one Brown defender, Santa Clara University School of Law Professor Gerald Uelmen, says that's just not true. Brown's a libertarian, he argues, not an extremist. "I admire her wit, her courage and her independence," he says. "Those are qualities that we need to look for in judicial appointments, and I wish we focused the process more on personal qualities than on labels."

Opponents, Uelmen says, should look closer at the two rulings for which Brown is often criticized -- one in which she dissented when the majority threw out a parental-consent abortion law and another in which she nixed a city's minority hiring plan for subcontractors, saying it ran afoul of the state ban on affirmative action programs. In both cases, he says, Brown voted with now-deceased, and famously liberal, Justice Stanley Mosk.

Alt, meanwhile, says Brown's dissent in the parental-consent case doesn't mean she'd necessarily vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. "It's entirely consistent to say consent is appropriate but Roe is the law of the land," he says.

Alt also says Brown's life story -- going from sharecropper's daughter in the deep South to the California Supreme Court -- will work to her advantage.

"It's an amazing story that appeals to the electorate," he says. "I think her story alone will actually be a motivating factor."

Though Brown's friends and supporters say it's not in her nature to lobby on her own behalf, they believe it would be a wise move.

"It's very difficult to meet Janice Brown and not be impressed," Bolick says. But most conservatives, such as Alt and Claeys, expect Democratic senators to dig up anything -- controversial rulings, old speeches, even a Brown friend's comment that she reaches decisions "in prayer and quiet study of the Bible" -- to discredit the justice. "You really are in a period of trench warfare," Alt says, "an anything-goes style of blocking someone from the bench."

Longtime friend Merksamer agrees, and says he expects the justice to encounter an extremely hostile environment. And unlike at her 1996 California Supreme Court confirmation hearing -- where Brown told a friendly panel that she had decided to "sit down and shut up" rather than rebut criticisms from the State Bar's Judicial Nominees Evaluation Commission -- Brown will have to speak up and defend herself.

"It's a confirmation hearing and they are entitled to ask questions -- even outrageous ones," says Merksamer, who has close ties to Republicans. "D.C. has become highly politicized and the judicial process has become highly partisan. I would expect the worst."

But he and longtime Brown friend Arthur Scotland, presiding justice of Sacramento's 3rd District Court of Appeal, say they are confident Brown will field all questions with aplomb -- "with dignity," Scotland says.

"I don't believe she's going to be bowled over," Merksamer says. "She will simply express herself honestly and attempt to answer the questions posed to her. That will be her style.

"She lived through the segregated South," he adds. "She ought to be able to handle a bunch of Caucasian senators."

Even Brown's critics agree.

"I doubt we will see a manifestation of her acerbic tongue at the confirmation hearings," says University of Southern California Law School Professor Erwin Chemerinsky. "I think she knows that would just feed into the criticisms of those who oppose her." But there's also the question of the ABA's rating.

Aron, of the Alliance for Justice, says it hurts Brown. "People will take special note," she contends, "of the fact that a marginally qualified candidate is up for nomination to a court that many consider to be the crown jewel of the federal system."

Santa Clara's Uelmen, however, says a poor ABA rating should be no problem. "She's weathered that before," he says. "The commission here in California ranked her unqualified and, frankly, I think that ranking turned out to be an embarrassment to the commission. She's put that behind her fast."

Some question the validity of the ABA rating, saying it had to be liberal bias against Brown's ideology and noting that the Bush administration doesn't even follow the long-held practice of vetting its nominees with the ABA before announcing them.

"The notion that a justice of the most significant state Supreme Court in the country would be nothing less than exceptionally qualified for a position on the D.C. Circuit is ludicrous," Bolick says. "In fact, it's an insult to the entire California Supreme Court."

While expecting Brown to be put through the wringer, supporters -- and even some detractors -- bemoan the politicization of the process and worry that "payback politics" eventually will come back to haunt the federal bench.

"My fear is that the process is going to have a very severe effect on the willingness of potentially controversial nominees to step up to the plate," Uelmen says. "So we're going to end up with a judiciary of anonymity and non-entity."
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I see two things at work here. Our more liberal Senators and interest groups are remembering Clarence Thomas and that the DC Appeals Court is one step from nomination to the US Supreme Court. If she cuts her teeth at that the DC Appeals Court she will be highly qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. Liberal Senators and interest groups have to stop her now or she is going to cake walk into the US Supreme Court.
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Here is an article from an African-American commentator:

A Lynch Mob Gathers Around Justice Janice Rogers Brown:
by Thomas Sowell (October 23, 2003)

Senator Charles Schumer went on television on October 22nd to announce that he was prepared to urge his fellow Democrats to filibuster, in order to prevent a Senate vote on the nomination of California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown to become a federal judge on the Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington.

In other words, Senator Schumer is prepared to deny other Senators the right to vote yes or no on Justice Brown. He has turned the Senate's Constitutional duty to "advise and consent" on judicial nominees into the Senate minority's ability to delay and obstruct.

Such extremist tactics are especially ironic from those who have tried to portray Justice Brown as an "extremist" right-winger who would be dangerous on the federal bench. The fact that Justice Brown received a 76 percent vote of approval from California voters in an election to confirm her appointment to the state Supreme Court hardly fits the label that Senator Schumer and other liberal Democrats are trying to pin on her.

California voters are hardly known for being on the far right. Yet they gave Janice Rogers Brown the highest vote of approval among the four justices on the same ballot.

The truth carries little weight -- if any -- in political efforts to block judicial nominees. What matters is whether enough special interest groups are determined to block that person.

Many liberal-left organizations are determined to prevent Janice Rogers Brown from becoming a member of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, in part because they are alarmed that she might move on up from there to the U.S. Supreme Court. If a few lies are all it takes to prevent that, they are more than willing to lie.

Why this bitter determination to prevent Justice Brown's nomination from even being voted on?

One reason is that Justice Brown's televised confirmation hearings showed her to be a very thoughtful, intelligent, and articulate black woman with a personality that would appeal to many of those watching her on C-SPAN. It could be hard for some Senators to go against public opinion and vote against her.

To people like shameless Schumer, the obvious answer is to prevent any vote at all.

Although Justice Brown has had more than 700 cases during her nine years as an appellate judge in California, Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee kept emphasizing things she had said in various speeches to college students and others, while her supporters kept trying to keep the focus on what she did in her day job as a judge.

Liberal emphasis on judges' personal opinions on political issues helps create the impression that judges are deciding the social merits or demerits of policies like affirmative action, abortion, gun control and the like.

Liberal judges often do. But the whole point of the judicial philosophy of people like Janice Rogers Brown is that the political merits of policies are none of a judge's business. The judge is to decide what is legal, according to the written laws and the Constitution, not what the judge happens to like personally or politically.

Justice Brown's long history in hundreds of cases shows that this is in fact what she has lived by. Liberals seize upon cases in which her votes went against their pet policies like affirmative action or teenage abortions without parental notification.

In other cases, however, Justice Brown voted against policies favored by conservatives, leading to protests by the National Rifle Association and conservative newspapers. Although Janice Rogers Brown's own personal views are conservative, she ruled on these cases on the basis of the written law, not what she herself preferred.

Liberal-left hostility to Justice Brown is based on the very opposite of what they claim. Much of the liberal agenda can only be imposed by judges because elected officials cannot keep bucking public opinion. A judge who opposes judicial policy-making is a serious danger to their agenda and they will try to stop such nominees at all costs. Hence the lynch-mob atmosphere and the filibuster threat.



About the Author: Thomas Sowell has published a large volume of writing. His dozen books, as well as numerous articles and essays, cover a wide range of topics, from classic economic theory to judicial activism, from civil rights to choosing the right college.
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I have no use for schumer
I often do admire Sowell but not here.
The vote given her in Ca. must be weighed with the vote given Arnie
I do understand that the ABA may not fit with Bushes ideology,but what is your opinion asto its fairness. Her rating is surely not very encouraging for an abointment to the DC curcuit court.

Did you think that Orin (no gas) Hatch wa fair in using the cartoon the way he did.
BTW how many Clinton judicial appointees did Orin (no gas) Hatch refuse to even consider. When Sowell talks about Schermer blocking the confirmation process I do think he forgot this little thing.
Would you care to compare what Hatch did with what Schumer is threatening to do?
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I do understand that the ABA may not fit with Bushes ideology,but what is your opinion asto its fairness. Her rating is surely not very encouraging for an abointment to the DC curcuit court.
Its not only the Bush ideology, its anyone who would cause or support litigation reform. The largest contributors to the ABA are personal injury lawyers. As a result the ABA has been a staunch lobbyist against tort reform. The recent Supreme Court decision limiting punitive damages struck at the ABA's core constituency. The ABA plays politics with the best of them so they are not going to rate any conservative judge well.

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Did you think that Orin (no gas) Hatch wa fair in using the cartoon the way he did.
All is fair in love and war and politics as long as its legal.

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BTW how many Clinton judicial appointees did Orin (no gas) Hatch refuse to even consider. When Sowell talks about Schermer blocking the confirmation process I do think he forgot this little thing.
I don't recall there being a call to filibuster the Senate however. I could be wrong on that so enlighten me if I am.

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No, not really. Frankly, I don't care and I don't have a vested interest in it.
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