[AKA Arizona]

Why do think our Founding Fathers decided to put that simple little quote on U.S. GOVERNMENT currency when theres supposed to a separation from church and state? Could be that the founding fathers never wanted a separation of church and state only that the the Government could not tell you what church you had to go to and how you should believe? If that is true then ALL the Federal judges that have interpreted the statement have done so incorrectly and the word GOD should not have been removed from anything!

[ComputerFix]

Not sure which Founding Fathers you refer to.

It wasn't until 1864 that this appeared on any US monies, and then it was only on the two cent coin (which we don't even have anymore)

It wasn't until 1908 that Congress made it mandatory on coins (due to public insistance), but exempted the one cent and five cent coin. (due to the on again off again use of it on these coins)

In God We Trust did not become the motto of this country until 1956, and then placed on paper money in 1957, though it actually didn't appear on the bills until 1964 (1,5,10,20) and 1966 (50,100)


So unless our Founding Fathers lived for a couple hundred years, they didn't "decide" any of this.

[redalert95]

Our country was founded by Puritains, Christians. So Many things about the country are Christian, i think God is in the Decloration of Independence a few times, so, it was only natuaral for a statment of faith to be on anything. Plus if the phrase began to appear in 1864 this was in the middle of the Civil War, people needed somthing to trust in, Lincoln was a very Christian man, and plus during times of hardship or war that phrase seems to begin to surface more and more i.e. 9/11.

[ComputerFix]

redalert95,

Impressive! It is exactly why the phrase was put on the 2 cent piece. It was a "unifying" act. After all, even political rivals will "stand together" before their God, religion is transcending like that.

However, it is a myth that the "founders" of our country had anything to do with the two most dominant displays of "God", money and the pledge (we had a whole thread on that one, so no need to hit it up again)

Keep in mind, however, that Christianity denotes a belief in the son of God, Jesus Christ. Just because their is mention of the word God, it was never defined, and therefore in the strictest sense only denotes monotheism. Christian intent is simply an inference we make based on the prevailing religious beliefs of the time. I believe it to be a pretty accurate inference, but it is an inference none the less..........

[redalert95]

Ahhh but the Son of God is God so we worship one in the same!!

Our God is one triune being God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

[ComputerFix]

So says a Christian, thus my point.

[GoneForNow]

And the wheels on the Christian bus go round and round. Round and round. Wheels on the Christian bus go round and round. All argument long!

[redalert95]

Whats that supposed to mean???

That Christians are more social with their faith and are willing to debate and argue about it!!

Well thats true

[ComputerFix]

Originally posted by gbrumb:
And the wheels on the Christian bus go round and round. Round and round. Wheels on the Christian bus go round and round. All argument long!

LMAO!



Seriously, not trying to start a "God" debate here, just wanted to point out historical truths when it came to the motto on currency, and they are not what most people take them as. Much of the religion found in governmental aspects is attributed to our "Founding Fathers", sometimes it is true, often it is not.

There was mention of the Declaration of Independance, authored by what we can call the "Founding Fathers". That there was mention of God a few times, and there is. Of course, few bother to go back and look at how it was used.....

"...which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them...."

Who is Nature's God? Depends on whom you ask.

"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

Who is their (man) Creator? Depends on whom you ask.

"...appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world..."

Who is the Supreme Judge of the world? Depends on whom you ask. (I sense a sarcastic GWB comment on that one. )


All subjective interpretation based upon 1) the known religious composition at the time and 2) the person doing the interpretation.

We see in those statements what we want to see based on our own religious convictions.

To the athiest, they just get pissed and sue.

[ComputerFix]

Originally posted by redalert95:
Whats that supposed to mean???

That Christians are more social with their faith and are willing to debate and argue about it!!

Well thats true

No, it means that much like my avatar, "God threads" usually result in the membership banging their head against a wall. Browse around, you will see them all over, all with similar posts, all with similar result.

It's called faith for a reason, debating it is fairly useless, there is no commonly accepted metrics by which to prove any false.

Faith: Belief despite the absence of proof.

As for me, I usually get jabbed at for refusing to take a side.

CF

[redalert95]

Originally posted by ComputerFix:

To the athiest, they just get pissed and sue.

lol,

OK we'll save the God debate for another time

Originally posted by gbrumb:
And the wheels on the Christian bus go round and round. Round and round. Wheels on the Christian bus go round and round. All argument long!

LMAO!!

[ComputerFix]

Originally posted by Jonesiegirl:
LMAO!!

Hey there jonesie!

[ComputerFix]

Originally posted by redalert95:
lol,

OK we'll save the God debate for another time

Just pick it up in a thread that's out there....lots to choose from (though you may have to go back a bit). Feel free to discuss topics that interest you, and keep a smile on at all times.

Hey there Jason! How ya been sweetie?


ROFL... brumb is on a roll tonight! Did ya see his Grateful Dead post in one of the other "God" threads?