[Al-Firdaus]

Russians suggest foreign help in attack
By Associated Press
Sunday, November 28, 2004

MOSCOW - The head of a parliamentary commission investigating the September hostage seizure at a school in southern Russia said there is evidence of involvement by a foreign intelligence agency, the Interfax news agency reported Saturday.

The statement was the latest of several in which Russian officials and politicians have alleged foreigners were involved in the Sept. 1-3 attack on a school in the southern town of Beslan, which ended in bloody chaos and left more than 330 people dead, many of them children.

"For the moment the evidence that we have of this involvement is indirect, so I consider it premature to name exactly which special service it is," Interfax quoted commission head Alexander Torshin as saying. Russians refer to intelligence and security agencies as special services.

Torshin, deputy speaker of the Federation Council, Russia's upper parliament house, said that "when we gather enough convincing evidence, we won't hide it."

Russian officials initially said the attackers killed at the school included nine or 10 Arabs, but they never provided any proof. Shamil Basayev, a Chechen warlord who claimed responsibility for the raid, said his militants who seized the school included two Arabs.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and other officials have cast the hostage seizure as part of a war against Russia by international terrorists - not a product of the Kremlin's military campaign in Chechnya, where officials said several of the attackers were from.

Many Russian officials have accused foreign countries, particularly in the West, of double standards on terrorism. In a televised address after the attack, Putin suggested some Cold War throwbacks in the West who are bent on weakening Russia aid terrorists.

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Here's an interesting article about what's happening in the Russian federation at the moment.........................................................It's from the St Petersburg Times.

The Forgotten History of Dissent and Hope

By Alexei Bayer


In the 100 years since the democratic revolution in 1905, Russia has suffered more wrenching, radical changes than probably any other nation on earth. Yet, strangely, it remains deeply rooted in its history, if not imprisoned by it.

That was something Lenin's Bolsheviks found out soon after importing into Russia a creed born of the Western Enlightenment and further fashioned by German political philosophers. The system meant as a new stage in world history quickly became Russified, and its architects began searching for antecedents in Russia's past. The 1917 Revolution was variously portrayed as a descendent of the Cossack rebellions of Stepan Razin in the 17th century and Emelyan Pugachev in the 18th century, or even of the Decembrist plot hatched by high-born officers in 1825.

The deep conservatism of Russian society and the lightning-fast changes it endured help explain one of the more ridiculous patterns of Russian politics: Each new Russian leader tends to reject and vilify his predecessor and promise a clean break, a renewal or a purification. Meanwhile, the population at large keeps pining away for past rulers and idealized regimes.

There is, therefore, nothing new or extraordinary in the current wave of nostalgia for the communist past that has inundated Russia. Nor is it any surprise that the government of President Vladimir Putin both promotes and exploits such nostalgia for its own ends. Actually, it is a rational nation-building strategy: to honor the past, warts and all, while building a democratic future within the community of nations.

That's what most other countries seem to do. The United States, for example, remains proud of its democracy and Constitution, despite harboring dark skeletons in its historical closet, such as slavery and racial discrimination.

The question is which past a nation chooses to honor. In Putin's Russia, the rehabilitation of old Soviet heroes is now in full swing. Deputies in the State Duma periodically cry for a return of the statue of blood-soaked Cheka founder Felix Dzerzhinsky to its original place in front of FSB headquarters on Lubyanskaya Ploshchad. Monuments and memorials to Yury Andropov, a longtime chief of the KGB and Putin's old boss, have appeared in Russian cities. Even Stalin's name is attaining a measure of legitimacy under the pretext of celebrating the 60th anniversary of Russia's victory in World War II.

The revival of this particular pantheon is all the more troubling since it is set against the backdrop of the complete oblivion reserved for Soviet-era dissidents, who are the true heroes of recent Russian history. A few months ago, while working on a column for Vedomosti, I tried to look up information on a group of Moscow ninth-graders who in 1966 were caught distributing anti-Stalinist leaflets. I had a personal interest in the story, since those kids were upperclassmen at my own school, and we all suffered from the resultant crackdown.

The leader of the group, Irina Kaplun, was later expelled from Moscow State University for organizing a protest rally on Stalin's 90th birthday. She became a human rights activist and in 1980 died in a suspicious car crash while collecting information for the samizdat journal, the Chronicle of Current Events.

I found these facts in an old issue of the Chronicle on the web site of the human rights group Memorial. Another reference to Kaplun turned up in an old posting on the site of Gratitude, a charitable fund set up in New York to help former dissidents. Without naming them, the fund announced that Kaplun's elderly mother and teenage daughter were in dire need of financial assistance.

In general, the Russian Internet has surprisingly little information about the dissident movement. And, as the popular saying goes, if you are not on the web, you don't exist.

These days, on the 20th anniversary of Mikhail Gorbachev's important reforms, much debate has been focused on the nature of perestroika and glasnost. But all you really need to know about the post-Soviet Russia engendered by his perestroika is that people who fought for democracy and freedom in the Soviet Union have been utterly forgotten here.

Though small, the human rights movement made an important contribution to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the ousting of the Communist Party. Meticulously and nonviolently, human rights activists insisted that the authorities uphold their own laws. Just as importantly, they undermined the myth of monolithic Soviet society. And most importantly, demands put forward by dissidents - such as the rule of law, the freedom of speech, religious tolerance, ethnic self-determination and emigration - supposedly constitute the legal foundation of post-Soviet Russia, the basic law of which Putin has sworn to defend.

For a short time at the start of perestroika, dissident physicist Andrei Sakharov provided a measure of moral authority. After the Soviet Union collapsed, some elements in the newly liberated Russia sought to establish a direct lineage between Boris Yeltsin's regime and the human rights movement. But it got no further than naming a sterile Brezhnevite artery through the center of Moscow's Sakharov Prospekt. There were timid plans for a monument as well, but since the advent of the Putin administration, Sakharov's widow, Yelena Bonner, has been opposed to the idea. Today, the project seems utterly irrelevant.

"The past is never dead. It's not even past," wrote author William Faulkner. It may still be true in the American South, and it is certainly very true in Russia. It is highly symbolic, then, that as the Putin administration slides toward Brezhnevism, its subservient prosecutors have decided to go after Yury Samodurov, the director of the Andrei Sakharov Museum and Public Center in Moscow, for an exhibit related to religious freedom. The fact that Sakharov is, albeit indirectly, being tried on trumped-up charges in a kangaroo court means that, despite the false hope of the 1990s, the work of the Soviet dissidents begun in the 1960s and 1970s is far from finished.

Alexei Bayer is an economist based in New York and writes the Globalist column for Vedomosti. He contributed this comment to The St. Petersburg Times.

It does show that the democratisation process in the federation is proving to be very gradual.............and it's sad to see that even Sakharov has to endure yet more injustice at a time when you'd have thought he'd be something of a doyen of Russian Post-Communist Politics. A bit like Bob Geldof is regarded here - as a moral authority on a multitude of different issues.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

While we are preoccupied in Iraq, some sinister doings are happening in Russia. As I only partially understand it perhaps PAQ or someone more worldly can elaborate. But Putin the ex(?) KGBer has imported many exKGB types into his gov't. (the statists) The opposition is the old Yelsin crowd, supported somehow by the looters of Russian wealth the ogliarchs.
Many of them have fled or kowtowed to Putin, but one, Khodorkovsky (thank goodness for copy and paste) defied Putin and now has been arrested and their is a lot of fear in Russia about a return to a police state.
I have been reading Moscow Times to follow this stuff.

BTW Putin is the guy Bush said "I can do business with" . Well he does business with ashcroft

What the hell does this have to do with the war in Iraq?

If we weren't in Iraq, do you honestly think the US would/could do anything about it short of invading Russia?

I swear, every damned story is equal to a Bush bashing story to you leftist whackos.

With all due respect.

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Erm - if you look at the thread title - "Meanwhile in Moscow" you'll realise that this is a thread about what's going on in Russia. What Plschwartz was doing by establishing the thread was pointing out that there was other stuff happening in the world as well as the Iraq war. All fairly self-explanatory really!

[moscowboy]

Ohhhh life is not so bad here!!! I love mother Russia)) Im from Uk
and running my own dating site here.... {url deleted}

you're also spamming this forum.....another post advertising your service and you will be banned permanently

[Paunchy]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

While we are preoccupied in Iraq, some sinister doings are happening in Russia. As I only partially understand it perhaps PAQ or someone more worldly can elaborate. But Putin the ex(?) KGBer has imported many exKGB types into his gov't. (the statists) The opposition is the old Yelsin crowd, supported somehow by the looters of Russian wealth the ogliarchs.
Many of them have fled or kowtowed to Putin, but one, Khodorkovsky (thank goodness for copy and paste) defied Putin and now has been arrested and their is a lot of fear in Russia about a return to a police state.
I have been reading Moscow Times to follow this stuff.

BTW Putin is the guy Bush said "I can do business with" . Well he does business with ashcroft

So what? The last US admin. was run by oil interests. Much more insidious.