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Why the flag is folded 13 times-NOT!


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05-Nov-2003, 04:35 AM #1
Why the flag is folded 13 times-NOT!
What a crock of Right Wing Doo-doo I got in my mail today. Worse, it came from a former VFW post-mate of mine.
I am continually amazed at how Right Wingers like my former Bud use the flag to advance their own political and religious agendas.

WHY THE AMERICAN FLAG IS FOLDED 13 TIMES

Have you ever noticed on TV or at military funerals that the honor guard pays meticulous attention to correctly folding the American flag 13 times?

I've known how the 21 gun salute was determined (adding the individual digits of 1776), but only recently learned why the flag was folded 13 times when it is lowered or when it is folded and handed to the widow at the burial of a veteran.

HERE IT IS:

The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life.

The second fold is a symbol of our belief in eternal life.

The third fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veterans departing our ranks who gave a portion of their lives for the defense of our country to attain peace throughout the world.

The fourth fold represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in time of war for His divine guidance.

The fifth fold is a tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our Country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong."

The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States Of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

The seventh fold is a tribute to our Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that we protect our country and our flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of our republic.

The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor mother, for whom it flies on Mother's Day.

The ninth fold is a tribute to womanhood; for it has been through their faith, their love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great has been molded.

The tenth fold is a tribute to the father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since they were first born.

The eleventh fold, in the eyes of a Hebrew citizen represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon, and glorifies in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The twelfth fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit.

When the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost reminding us of our nation's motto, "In God We Trust". After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, ever reminding us of the soldiers who served under General George Washington, and the sailors and marines who served under Captain John Paul Jones, who were followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed Forces of the United States, preserving for us the rights, privileges, and freedoms we enjoy today. There are some traditions and ways of doing things which have deep meaning. You will see many flags folded in the coming weeks, and now you will know why.

Right out of the Looney Tunes side of the Republican Party.
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05-Nov-2003, 09:05 AM #2
This explanation probably would have sufficed instead of all the political posturing.

http://www.snopes.com/military/flagfold.htm

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05-Nov-2003, 09:24 AM #3
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Originally posted by Deke:
[b]This explanation probably would have sufficed instead of all the political ranting....

Just stopped in to say, "Hello, Deke!" Long time no see.

BTW, I always thought the flag was folded 13 times because there was no more flag to fold - just a thought! Learn something new every day!

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05-Nov-2003, 09:32 AM #4
Hi Wino.

I have been mostly lurking.
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05-Nov-2003, 09:36 AM #5
Well, you sneaky old fart!

Good to see ya though!!
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05-Nov-2003, 09:59 AM #6
Wino-Just noticed the "Republic" in you header.

That let's the state of Texas be the only state that can fly the Texas flag at the same level as the US Flag.
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Hey Deke! Stopped in to say hello to you too stranger!
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Hi Angel. I still read all your post but try to stay in the background. This place has changed to much to fast. So many new people coming on board.

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05-Nov-2003, 10:24 AM #9
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I've known how the 21 gun salute was determined (adding the individual digits of 1776)...

This one sounded fishy to me as well (since I was fairly certain that the "salute" is older than this country, thus before 1776 became a significant year) so I looked it up.

Sure enough, its false.

here is the link to the Department of the Navy outlining the history.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq40-1.htm
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05-Nov-2003, 10:34 AM #10
I knew that 21 gun salute anecdote was false and that it predated the American Independance.

Adding up the digits in 1776 is just so much frivolous numerology.

In Canada the 21 gun salute is only awarded to visiting royalty; for other visiting heads of state a 19 gun salute is used.
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05-Nov-2003, 12:44 PM #11
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Originally posted by pyritechips:
I knew that 21 gun salute anecdote was false and that it predated the American Independance.

Adding up the digits in 1776 is just so much frivolous numerology.

In Canada the 21 gun salute is only awarded to visiting royalty; for other visiting heads of state a 19 gun salute is used.
I had actually never even heard of the 1776 reference until I read this thread......didn't know the myth was even there, to say nothing as to if it was a myth (though it could not be so American given it's widespread use and the relative "newness" of the significance of the year)
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05-Nov-2003, 11:48 PM #12
Re: Why the flag is folded 13 times-NOT!
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Originally posted by EdGreene:
What a crock of Right Wing Doo-doo I got in my mail today. Worse, it came from a former VFW post-mate of mine.
Awww c'mon Ed, have a sense of humor. It's not like anyone is really gonna believe that is why the flag is folded 13 times. Most are going to recognize it as 'creative' writing.

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I am continually amazed at how Right Wingers like my former Bud use the flag to advance their own political and religious agendas.
You evil tree-huggin' red, you.
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06-Nov-2003, 01:19 AM #13
Amazing what people will believe if it comes in their email!
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06-Nov-2003, 09:50 AM #14
I thought the shape of the folding was the important thing.
So that it was folded differently than unimportant objects.
13 just "happened" to be the number of folds required to make the triangle.
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06-Nov-2003, 06:12 PM #15
Maybe there are 13 folds because there are 13 stripes?
That would be kindof symbolic *************
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