[angelize56]

I don't know what I'd do if I had a 6 year old like this! This is terrible! I'm sure my first priority would be to stand by and be there for my son.....my second to see if and why he did it and third to go crazy wondering about his future! I don't think a child this young can be charged...right? What will become of this young child! What made him so disturbed in the first place? You have to wonder why he was released on Monday and killed Gramps on Friday??? What a tragedy in both ways! Take care. angel

Boy Released From Mental Facility Last Monday; Police Say Shooting Intentional

POSTED: 1:49 p.m. EST November 10, 2003
UPDATED: 2:02 p.m. EST November 10, 2003

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. -- A 6-year-old boy suspected of shooting his grandfather to death with a .22-caliber rifle has a history of mental illness and attacking family members, authorities said.

James Zbinden, 59, was found dead at his home Friday after his grandson ran into the street and flagged down a neighbor, Cole County Sheriff John Hemeyer said, adding that authorities believe the boy shot the man intentionally.

Hemeyer said the boy was released last Monday from a central Missouri mental-health facility where he was admitted after attacking another family member.

The boy, who has not been identified, is being evaluated again.

"We have an extremely disturbed child who needs help badly," Hemeyer said.

Mark Zbinden, the boy's father, said it had to be an accident, pointing out that his son adored his grandfather, who was the child's "hero."

Mark Zbinden said the 6-year-old has "never been violent." (Yet it says above the child had a history of mental illness and attacking family members!)

A juvenile court will handle the fatal shooting.

[deh]

On a similiar note:

This kid is a monster. Some people are just bad seeds.
May be nurture versus nature issue that you can debate but you won't convice me otherwise.
I don't look at prison or detention centers as places for rehabilitation, they are places for punishment.

10-year-old boy charged in killing of 3-year-old boy
Friday, March 28, 2003 Posted: 2:02 AM EST (0702 GMT)

WOODBRIDGE, New Jersey (AP) -- A 10-year-old boy was charged with murder Thursday for allegedly luring a 3-year-old boy out of a library, beating him with a baseball bat, sexually assaulting him and dumping him in a ditch.

The charges were filed a day after Amir Beeks was attacked and hours after he died. The 10-year-old, who was not identified by authorities, was charged with murder, felony murder, kidnapping, illegal weapons possession and aggravated sexual assault.

Middlesex County Prosecutor Bruce Kaplan said the 10-year-old cannot be tried as an adult. He faces a sentence of up to 20 years on the murder charge alone.

Kaplan said the motive is unclear for the Wednesday afternoon attack at the Colonia Library in Woodbridge.

The older boy did not know Amir, who was at the library with relatives, Kaplan said. He said witnesses at the library led police to the suspect.

Police officers searching for Amir found him face down in a drainage ditch near the library. He was rushed to a hospital but pronounced dead Thursday morning.

Kaplan said the exact cause of death has not yet been determined.

The 10-year-old appeared before a Family Court judge Thursday and was being held in a youth detention center.

(Edited link)
follow up:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...-regional-wire

[Paquadez]

The header to this is really an oxymoron.

Of COURSE the kids here described were "Mental"; unless, they had suffered grievous ill treatment by others, when in which case the balance of their minds was disturbed.

In analysis, we are back, really to the reality that some human beings are sub-human and not subject to "normal" emotions of guilt, right, wrong etc.

Problem is, that for far too many years, the Left Wing sought to decry the reality that anyone human being could be "Bad": there always had to be a causal reason.

In the UK, our society now suffers, dreadfully, from the results of the Ivory Tower Dwelling Do Gooder, Bleeding Heart Liberals, who have, successfully, campaigned for years that "bad" people can be turned into "Good" citizens and their "Badness" has been caused by social deprivation or a "dysfunctional family unit", whatever that social worker garbage means in real language.

Now, of course, we have a court system where the miscreants are treated like royalty, get top legal representation free and paid for by the taxpayer and the true victims are the innocent!

"I know my rights!", runs the refrain.

What utter tosh!

Paq

[CyBerAliEn]

Heard this on the news last night, very sad.

I heard on the news however that this boy could (not that he will, but that it is possible) be tried as an adult because of some stipulation in the state law concerning murder.

I have to agree with deh, this kid is a "bad seed".

My thoughts are that it is time for some punishment, however harsh, not some dandy bull**** therapy/rehabilitation/etc.

[Paquadez]

The two sadists that abducted and killed a wee lad in the North of England some few years ago (Jamie Bulger), have recently been released from prison. They are I seem to remember about 16 and 17.

The State has given the me new identities, houses, whatever and even probably moved them to another country.

Will this make them change?

In my view not: the madness will simmer beneath the surface until it emerges, yet again.

Paq

[EarthTech]

Yoy people need a lesson in human compassion. Along with a head exam. Take this how you please. Think back my friends are you so innocent when you were young. I have bit my tonque long enough this post hit the launch button. I am not defending their actions but am disturbed by your statements. I am quite sure you are perfect and have no mental defects, and have yet to commit one single crime. The only diffrence between the criminals and those claiming to have never broken a law is that they have yet to get caught. Maybe you need to spend sometime in never never land,

Col. USMC

[cnimbus]

"A 6-year-old boy suspected of shooting his grandfather to death with a .22-caliber rifle has a history of mental illness and attacking family members, authorities said."

And given this, just why was he allowed to get his hands on a .22 rifle? Was it because his parents took away his tommy gun?

"The boy, who has not been identified, is being evaluated again."

Hopefully they will get it right this time.

[deh]

Originally posted by EarthTech:
Yoy people need a lesson in human compassion. Along with a head exam. Take this how you please. Think back my friends are you so innocent when you were young. I have bit my tonque long enough this post hit the launch button. I am not defending their actions but am disturbed by your statements. I am quite sure you are perfect and have no mental defects, and have yet to commit one single crime. The only diffrence between the criminals and those claiming to have never broken a law is that they have yet to get caught. Maybe you need to spend sometime in never never land,

Col. USMC

I made mistakes but I NEVER murdered or sexually assaulted anyone. You can't compare throwing snowballs at cars to MURDER and if you do then you better reconsider who it is that needs the head examination.

At 10 years old you know it is wrong my 8 year old knows the basics of wrong versus right.

The crime is dispicable and the monster should be punished. One word: Accountability.

I have no compassion for monsters. Glad to see you'd be so forgiving if your child was beaten to death and assaulted and perhaps you are more Christian like.
Not me though.

[moonmist]

Originally posted by cnimbus:
And given this, just why was he allowed to get his hands on a .22 rifle?

Thats my question??

[Paquadez]

Originally posted by EarthTech:
Yoy people need a lesson in human compassion. Along with a head exam. Take this how you please. Think back my friends are you so innocent when you were young. I have bit my tonque long enough this post hit the launch button. I am not defending their actions but am disturbed by your statements. I am quite sure you are perfect and have no mental defects, and have yet to commit one single crime. The only diffrence between the criminals and those claiming to have never broken a law is that they have yet to get caught. Maybe you need to spend sometime in never never land,

Col. USMC

So, Earthtech, do you believe that everyone is latently good and that there are no sociopaths?

Paq

[CyBerAliEn]

Completely agree with deh and Paq.

On a side note to answer a question posed... the rifle the boy used against his grandfather was commented by like the parents I believe, that they didn't know they even had it (they thought they had gotten rid of it years ago).

[EarthTech]

We are talking about a child 6 years old or 12 years old for that matter. yes what he did is wrong and all reasonable efforts should be made to find hoe this happened. If he is mentally affected or something then get him help. Until you have seen 9, 10 and even 6 year old kids with ak-47s and the like shooting at you and you wonder what you should do. You think how innocent they once were. You came home and see your own nation sending 10 year old kids to prison for life. At what point do we say it is enough. The only difference between an 8 year old who steals a bicycle and onw who pulls the trigger is the crime. The behavior that led to both crimes is no different. we do not know all the facts involved in this case. For those who want to know I gave the order to return fire. Now am I a monster.

[Paquadez]

E-Tech

I think that there is a subtle yet vast difference between kids who have been either brainwashed or terrorised into taking up arms, by people who are themselves sociopathic and a child who is NATURALLY sociopathic.

Sadly, if any person is faced by another person, irrespective of age, who threatens their life, their is only one option. Age is immaterial.

Paq

[angelize56]

Bad seeds...sociopaths...I just can't seem to lose my compassion for children in these cases. I hate what they did but we don't know how they became mentally unstable really. We don't know what they have been through in their short lifetimes. I understand the negative viewpoints....I understand how I'd want anyone who killed my child to suffer the consequences...but what do you really do for these little kids the rest of their lives that doesn't seem unjust? Do you lock them up in a mental institution for life knocked into oblivion with psychoactive drugs...do you ship them off to prison for the rest of their lives? What do you people with the negative opinions honestly think should be done to these children? I could never be the jury or judge of any child murderer....I honestly would be too torn between the feelings of the victim's families and the murderer's families. I couldn't get out of my mind the killers are just children. I also couldn't help feeling the grief of the victim's families. I can't sit here and judge these children who kill....too much we don't know. Take care. angel

[Paquadez]

Angel

As the effective Founder (Unpaid) of the UNICEF branch in my part of England, back in 1974, I think that states my position on kids.

However, as I stated right at the beginning of this thread, unlike the Left Wing Bleeding Hearts, one has to accept that a certain percentage of human beings (and dogs) are simply not right, mentally. That doesn't mean that we have to treat them inhumanely. However, we DO have to differentiate between right and wrong and sadly accept that some of God's creatures are not mentally normal, in the classic sense of that word.

In the UK, as I stated before, we have had circa 30 years of the Left justifying the actions of the sociopath, the thief, the rapist, child abuser, the murderer etc. Indeed one eminent peer of the realm, wanted to free the Moors killer, Myra Hindley, because she "was a changed person". Of course she was changed! She had been incarcerated for life to prevent her and her pyschopathic chum Ian Brady, killing and torturing any more poor little kids!

The minority have to suffer some, for the peace of mind of the sane and normal majority. Tough old life!

Paq