[bonzobob999]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

So, you would blame God for the rise of Adolph Hitler?
Blame Him for the Christmas '04 tsunami death toll?
How about Egyptian slavery prior to Jesus?
How about American slavery of the black man? God's fault?

I would blame God for his lack of intervention.

[xico]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

So, you would blame God for the rise of Adolph Hitler?
Blame Him for the Christmas '04 tsunami death toll?
How about Egyptian slavery prior to Jesus?
How about American slavery of the black man? God's fault?

Does God have foreknowledge? Is God omniscient? Who made it? . . . and . . . why?

The prophets have foreknowledge of events because somebody knows what going to happen. If somebody knows what's going to happen, how free are you?
If I know you're going to graduate from X university and marry Suzie Wiloby, and have a little boy who grows up to become mayor of Huntsville--how free are you. Just because you want to do a thing, like marry a particular woman, doesn't mean it was your choice. It can well mean it was your program. If you don't believe in God, this is called determinism. If you do, it's called Fatalism. For me, Fate is what happens to you beyond your control. It was your fate to be born a man. It became your fate to marry who you did, because it seems as though you had a choice. But if someone had predicted the event then I don't think we could assume it was your choice. But I think most of us are a running program . . . overwhelmingly programed by our parents and teachers . . . but there are other programs behind the eyes . . . that you were born with. . .

Personally I think it's God's show. He made it, and he runs it, and he's in control of it. Jesus said, "Every hair on your head is numbered." We're not as free as we think we are. We have our Fates.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by xico

Does God have foreknowledge? Is God omniscient?

You must decide the answer to that on your own.
I believe he does, and is.

Who made it? . . . and . . . why?

It? To what "it" do you refer?

[brite750]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

So, you would blame God for the rise of Adolph Hitler?
Blame Him for the Christmas '04 tsunami death toll?
How about Egyptian slavery prior to Jesus?
How about American slavery of the black man? God's fault?

We call hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc, acts of God, whos fault are they? they certainly arent mans fault. When someone dies we say its Gods will, well, is it Gods fault or not, and which God is it? Christians believe the end of days is coming if you dont beleive in Jesus then you get left behind to suffer as if in hell. Muslims believe they have the true faith, Jews believe they are the choosen people, Hindus, Buhddist, etc. everbody thinks they have God in their coat pocket, its just that radical Muslims are willing to kill you if you dont see it their way, and this is done in the name of God, if there is a God, I'm really surprised that he hasnt struck them down into a pile of dust, oh well, I guess that makes it our job.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

So, you would blame God for the rise of Adolph Hitler?
Blame Him for the Christmas '04 tsunami death toll?
How about Egyptian slavery prior to Jesus?
How about American slavery of the black man? God's fault?

LAN, the only point here is that if this supreme being is both all knowing and unknowable, how can anyone place blame on anyone else?.....this is the whole argument about being non-judgemental from a religioius pov, imo

even if you factor in free will, it can only be attibuted to one's own actions, if one assumes the existence of an all knowing and unknowable supreme being

the message then, would seem to be clear....without the certainty of knowing another man, the only certainty would be in knowing yourself....if you initiate violence...even if you respond to the world AS IT IS with violence....it is you to blame, or is it god.....

these are, to me, the only reasonable choices....everything else is a rationalization based on assumption.

[xico]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

You must decide the answer to that on your own.
I believe he does, and is.




It? To what "it" do you refer?

Do you think God is male? Or is God female (abhor the thought). The earth is female and God traditionally has been male.But I don't think God is either male or female, so I refer to God as "it."

If God is omniscient, then it would seem we're in its movie. It already knows the end of the movie--which implies that it bears some responsibility for what happens in its movie. It's Its movie or show.
PL rasied the question yesterday, How'd the snake get in the Garden?

Were A&E meant to vegetate? This is the Doctrine of the Fortunate Fall. If they hadn't eaten the tree of knowledge, Jesus wouldn't have appeared to save us. Original sin wouldn't have happened.

[brite750]

Originally Posted by xico

Do you think God is male? Or is God female (abhor the thought). The earth is female and God traditionally has been male.But I don't think God is either male or female, so I refer to God as "it."

If God is omniscient, then it would seem we're in its movie. It already knows the end of the movie--which implies that it bears some responsibility for what happens in its movie. It's Its movie or show.
PL rasied the question yesterday, How'd the snake get in the Garden?

Were A&E meant to vegetate? This is the Doctrine of the Fortunate Fall. If they hadn't eaten the tree of knowledge, Jesus wouldn't have appeared to save us. Original sin wouldn't have happened.

good question, if Satan has free run of the place, then people have to really be careful whos will it is they think theyre following, these radical Muslims are sure as heck not doing Gods bidding. thats why the oil thing is just BS, what they are doing is invoking Gods name by playing the jihad card, I'm pretty sure God doesnt give a dam where countries buy their oil from.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by iltos

LAN, the only point here is that if this supreme being is both all knowing and unknowable, how can anyone place blame on anyone else?.....this is the whole argument about being non-judgemental from a religioius pov, imo

even if you factor in free will, it can only be attibuted to one's own actions, if one assumes the existence of an all knowing and unknowable supreme being

the message then, would seem to be clear....without the certainty of knowing another man, the only certainty would be in knowing yourself....if you initiate violence...even if you respond to the world AS IT IS with violence....it is you to blame, or is it god.....

these are, to me, the only reasonable choices....everything else is a rationalization based on assumption.

Ahhh, I understand your point better.

But in order to blame God for, say, the '04 tsunami, which obviously killed many innocents, you would either need to blame Him directly for causing the earthquaske in the first place, building an imperfect planet prone to such disasters, or blame him for not reach8ing out his mighty hand to stop the waves from reaching the shore.

I picked thiks off of a website. It touches a little on the responsibilities of God.

God's Fault?
Despite their similarities, Job and Ecclesiastes reveal important differences. As this verse shows, the Teacher never really expected to solve life's riddles; his attitude of resignation contrasts with Job's combativeness. Also, in his anguish, Job sometimes questioned the character of God himself, demanding a personal explanation. At no time did the Teacher blame God for the unfairness and meaninglessness he saw around him. "God made mankind upright," he concludes, "but men have gone in search of many schemes."

You see, God did not cause Job's many tragedies. Satan did.
(and no, I am not referring to Karl Rove)
In my life, I have decided to soften my heart more to God thqan I used to be.

You might note my posts from about a year ago had a vastly different perspective on the matter. I still want to know why so many innocents suffer, even still today. But until I can take it up with Him personally, I will have faith that He knows what He is doing.

[LANMaster]

One other thing;

In Genesis, God curses Adam & Eve for their sins in Eden.

So, there has been only one in the flesh without Sin, and His name is Jesus.

Humanity are born sinners. Born already with sin in our hearts.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by brite750

then why are you bringing it up, your the one that mentioned God handling things, now you say he doesnt which is it?

I meant we will be punished by God for our sins.

[brite750]

Originally Posted by poochee

I meant we will be punished by God for our sins.

we already are being punished for our sins, man this crap never ends. Ya know something to keep in mind is that religion to a very large extent may make you feel closer to God, but it tends to divide us up into a bunch of little clans or tribes, rather than bring mankind closer together. I have to think that that is not what God intended.

[bonzobob999]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

One other thing;

In Genesis, God curses Adam & Eve for their sins in Eden.

So, there has been only one in the flesh without Sin, and His name is Jesus.

Humanity are born sinners. Born already with sin in our hearts.

In your world Lan not mine...........

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by xico

Do you think God is male? Or is God female (abhor the thought). The earth is female and God traditionally has been male.But I don't think God is either male or female, so I refer to God as "it."

Jesus was male. Jesus is the Son of God and referred to God as the Father on numerous occasions. Never once did He refer to God as "the Mother."

If God is omniscient, then it would seem we're in its movie. It already knows the end of the movie--which implies that it bears some responsibility for what happens in its movie. It's Its movie or show.
PL rasied the question yesterday, How'd the snake get in the Garden?

He already knows the end because in His eyes, it has already happened.

Were A&E meant to vegetate? This is the Doctrine of the Fortunate Fall. If they hadn't eaten the tree of knowledge, Jesus wouldn't have appeared to save us. Original sin wouldn't have happened.

Good point. I never professed to know everything.
I believe what is written in the Bible. If you choose not to, then you are free in that choice.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by bonzobob999

In your world Lan not mine...........

So be it. That happens to be what my Bible says.
You and I are free to believe or disbelieve.

[linskyjack]

Originally Posted by brite750

We call hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc, acts of God, whos fault are they? they certainly arent mans fault. When someone dies we say its Gods will, well, is it Gods fault or not, and which God is it? Christians believe the end of days is coming if you dont beleive in Jesus then you get left behind to suffer as if in hell. Muslims believe they have the true faith, Jews believe they are the choosen people, Hindus, Buhddist, etc. everbody thinks they have God in their coat pocket, its just that radical Muslims are willing to kill you if you dont see it their way, and this is done in the name of God, if there is a God, I'm really surprised that he hasnt struck them down into a pile of dust, oh well, I guess that makes it our job.

No, actually God is punishing the other religions for not accepting Islam as the true religion and thus has allowed these satanic characters out of the proverbial hat.