[lighthouse]

Are there any 'Peaceful' religions anyway?

[angelize56]

Hi lighthouse! There are many peaceful religions....just have to sort out the radicals and zealots in them and get back to spreading the word of God non-violently!

[poochee]

Originally Posted by angelize56

Like CAIR is a great group of people themselves!

Radio Host Fired After Anti-Islam Comments

POSTED: 7:17 am EDT August 23, 2005

WASHINGTON -- A radio talk show host in Washington is out of a job after refusing to apologize for calling Islam "a terrorist organization."

WMAL had suspended Michael Graham for a making the comment during a broadcast last month. His comment drew protests from CAIR, the Council on American-Islam Relations.

Graham said in a statement on his Web site that he was fired after refusing to retract his comments about Islam and deliver an on-air apology.

WMAL president and general manager Chris Berry told the broadcast publication Radio & Records that Graham's comments about Islam "went over the line." Berry said Graham had been previously reprimanded for "insensitive language and comments."

Graham blamed CAIR for his firing and said his free speech rights were violated.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4884310/detail.html

They don't want the Islamic agenda outed!

[poochee]

Playing chicken games with the crocks

By Cal Thomas

In the James Bond movie "Live and Let Die," "007" encounters a nest of crocodiles bent on having him for a meal. Armed only with pieces of chicken, Bond tosses the fowl at the crocs to hold them off until he figures out an escape plan. The crocks quickly consume the chicken, but keep pressing toward their ultimate objective.

Which brings us to Israel's forced removal of residents from Gaza. Israel is "Bond." The pieces of chicken represent land. The Palestinian/Arab/Muslim side are crocodiles. Get it? Most Westerners do not. Israel tosses pieces of land at the Palestinian side, but once it is consumed, the Palestinians only want more until their real objective — the consumption of Israel — is reached and their hunger satiated.

Reading and listening to the reaction of Muslim clerics, Palestinian leaders and others throughout the region to Israel's unilateral act offers little comfort to anyone with faith in a two-state "solution" consisting of Israel and a Palestinian entity living side-by-side in peace and harmony. That does not deter apostles of this false political doctrine from continuing to promote their flawed plan.

An editorial in London's Daily Telegraph represents this thinking: "The onus is now on (Palestinian Authority leader) Mahmoud Abbas ... Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Fatah Martyrs' Brigades and others of their ilk must be persuaded or compelled to abandon their arms in favor of peaceful political engagement."

That is unlikely to happen. Among the chants heard as Israeli soldiers forced their fellow Jews from their Gaza homes was, "We will continue with the rest of Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem, until we control all of Israel."

Senior Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar, in an interview with the Arab newspaper Asharq Al Awsat, said, "We do not and will not recognize a state called Israel. ... This land is the property of all Muslims in all parts of the world. … Let Israel die." That's not the rhetoric of someone who yearns to live side-by-side in peace and harmony with an Israeli state.

The new president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has rejected democracy as un-Islamic. In a 7,000-word document presented to his parliament detailing his "short- and long-term programs," Ahmadinejad said that in a Muslim country power belongs to God. He said that not only will he fight any form of democratization in Iran, he would mobilize the nation's resources to prevent the United States from imposing its plan for self-determination on nations in the region.

While the U.S. has tried to avoid statements about a culture war, Ahmadinejad has no such reluctance. He speaks of a "clash of civilizations" between Islamic republics like Iran and Western "ideas and concepts of government" that he says have no place in Islam. The U.S. is a "sunset" power, he says, while the Islamic Republic is a "sunrise" one.

That's a pretty clear ideology, matched by an agenda. It says that nothing Israel does to pacify or mollify these religious fanatics will deter them from their "God-ordained" goals, which consist of the elimination of Israel and the domination of all other nations under Islamic rule. These are not secret records kept from the world. They are published documents that are part of government policies and religious doctrine. To pretend people who say such things don't really mean it is to be guilty of self-delusion in the extreme.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government says it won't negotiate with extremist organizations like Hamas, but only with elected leaders of the Palestinian Authority.

But what if Hamas supporters win seats in the announced Palestinian parliamentary elections in January? Even if they don't, the objectives of the Palestinian Authority are the same as organizations with which Israel will not negotiate.

They are all crocodiles. Tossing pieces of "chicken" in their direction will never satisfy them. They want it all. They say so, and their actions prove they are serious.

JewishWorldReview.com

IMO...these people will never be satisfied until every Jew in the world is dead.

[xico]

Unfortunately, it just happens to be Palestinian land that Israel is occupying illegally.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by xico

Unfortunately, it just happens to be Palestinian land that Israel is occupying illegally.

If Mexico invaded the US and we counter attacked and took Baja California to defend against further invasions into Southern Califoria, should we give it back?

I think not.

[xico]

Yeah, you're right in step. That's what we did with Upper Caalifornia, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

Don't you think, with that ideology, Lan, that we should have on our coins, we trust in guns, rather than we trust in God?

[WarC]

People conveniently ignore the fact that on May 14th, 1948 the British Mandate expired and Israel became a sovereign nation. Over the next few days armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, and irregulars from Saudi Arabia and Yemen invaded and fought with the Jews over the land now known as Israel and Palestine.

Over the course of the conflict the Israeli's, frankly, kicked their butts. They fought off their enemies in SELF DEFENSE and conquered them. This is why Israel occupies Palestinian land. Palestine lost a war the Arabs started. It's as simple as that. Palestine, historically, was an amalgamation of Jews, Arabs and Christians anyways...The idea of a Palestine being solely Muslim is entirely new after the 1940's.

Anyone who views Israel as the sole aggressors is a hypocrite: the original aggressors were the Arab states. Anyone who views Israel as solely racist is a hypocrite: the Arabs attacked out of racial and religious hate. Anyone who views Israel as solely intolerant is a hypocrite: The Arab intolerance of Judaism is what sparked the conflict and keeps it going throughout the Middle East.

This is why I cannot understand protestors and humanitarians that go to Palestine or Iraq or Afghanistan. They are defending and standing up for people who completely epotimize what they are supposedly standing against.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by xico

Yeah, you're right in step. That's what we did with Upper Caalifornia, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

So do you think the Mexicans and Indians should strap bombs on themselves and murder your children?

That is EXACTLY what the militant Palestinians are supporting.

I don't know how you can live with yourself knowing that you're selfishly walking on land which was stolen by your Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy.

Don't you think, with that ideology, Lan, that we should have on our coins, we trust in guns, rather than we trust in God?

Cute.

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by WarC

... This is why I cannot understand protestors and humanitarians that go to Palestine or Iraq or Afghanistan. They are defending and standing up for people who completely epotimize what they are supposedly standing against.

I think protestors and humanitarians are moved by this rethoric : 'The enemies of my enemies are my friends'.
I've known this kind of behaviour in the so called 'progressive' groups in my country. Most of them are 'leftists' and they liken the Palestinians to the victims of capitalism. But what they ignore is that the Palestinians are first of all Muslims and Muslims don't care at all about socialism, communism, capitalism. They don"t care about Marx (he was a Jew), Lenin, Mao, Trotsky, Gramsci, Castro, ...

[xico]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

So do you think the Mexicans and Indians should strap bombs on themselves and murder your children?

That is EXACTLY what the militant Palestinians are supporting.

I don't know how you can live with yourself knowing that you're selfishly walking on land which was stolen by your Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy.


Cute.

No, I don't think they should, but I wouldn't blame them if they did. Because my Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy was a thief, a robber, and a murderer, as I see it, doesn't give me the right to annihilate the rest of the Mexicans and Indians . . . or to mistreat them. But that raises all sorts of ethical questions about property rights, doesn't it? Personally, I don't want to support murder or murderers now or in the past; but if you think murder historically was okay, then why do the history books try to whitewash the outrageous behavior of our forefathers? Obviously, because it was criminal. For me, what's so frustrating, is that it hasn't stopped, and apparently won't. Becoming human isn't easy. It involves a choice. One day you realize that you either have to support the executioner or you have to say, No, I want to try to be human. To be human is an ideal. And there's no room in that ideal for the support of oppression of any kind. I think I've read too many stories about really wonderful people to want to be ugly and mean or greedy and selfish or cruel. According to Milirepa, the scantily clad Buddha, "life is short, and the time of death uncertain." According to Candy, "If you tell yourself that this is going to be your last day on earth, one day you'll be right." There are no survivors on this earth, and all too soon we'll be the dust along the road that gets into your eyes as we always were. This is just a brief interlude of consciousness. To waste it blowing yourself up is a travesty; and to waste other people's lives blowing them up is just as much a travesty.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by xico

No, I don't think they should, but I wouldn't blame them if they did. Because my Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy's Pappy was a thief, a robber, and a murderer, as I see it, doesn't give me the right to annihilate the rest of the Mexicans and Indians . . . or to mistreat them.

Nor does it give them the right to bring harm to you. Which is what some teenaged Palestinians are doing at the request and encouragement of their families.

But that raises all sorts of ethical questions about property rights, doesn't it?

Not really. Show me a Mexican National who was alive to see the Alamo massacre, then perhaps I can understand his desire for a claim.
I disagree with those who say that today's American should pay reparations to today's blacks on account of slavery.
However, I would say it might be considered fair to tax blacks less on inheritance as their elderly die off. THAT, I might consider fair for a reasonable amount of time. Perhaps 4 or 5 generations.

Personally, I don't want to support murder or murderers now or in the past; but if you think murder historically was okay, then why do the history books try to whitewash the outrageous behavior of our forefathers? Obviously, because it was criminal.

neither do I, but history cannot be changed. You and I can agree that the key issue between the Arabs and Israel has little to do with land and far more to do with out and out racism from both sides. They will be at war - forever - so long as one or both sides teaches their children hatred based on ethnicity.

For me, what's so frustrating, is that it hasn't stopped, and apparently won't. Becoming human isn't easy. It involves a choice. One day you realize that you either have to support the executioner or you have to say, No, I want to try to be human. To be human is an ideal. And there's no room in that ideal for the support of oppression of any kind. I think I've read too many stories about really wonderful people to want to be ugly and mean or greedy and selfish or cruel. According to Milirepa, the scantily clad Buddha, "life is short, and the time of death uncertain." According to Candy, "If you tell yourself that this is going to be your last day on earth, one day you'll be right." There are no survivors on this earth, and all too soon we'll be the dust along the road that gets into your eyes as we always were. This is just a brief interlude of consciousness. To waste it blowing yourself up is a travesty; and to waste other people's lives blowing them up is just as much a travesty.

Agreed.

[xico]

You're cool, Lan!

[xico]

Nor does it give them the right to bring harm to you. Which is what some teenaged Palestinians are doing at the request and encouragement of their families.

And which the State of Israel endorses with state sanctioned assassinations . . . by, of all things, missiles . . . taking out a half dozen bystanders.

I think the Pope put it right when he said he couldn't condemn the Palestinians for what they did when the reaction from Israel is 3 times worse. That's the rub. I think the tactics of the Buddhist monks in Vietnam were right on target. It su horrified JFK as well as everyone else that it brought down the Diem government without killing a single soul (aside from the monks).

[brite750]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Are there any 'Peaceful' religions anyway?

You might what to talk to a Buddhist about that, I think by and large they practice what they dont preach. Never heard of a Buddhist army conquering someone, their idea of a protest is lighting themselves on fire.