[saikee]

but we know that palistinians are suffering much more than Israelis. this is true.
therefore, we have Palestinian suicide bombers but not Israelis.
and therefore we have 9/11 attacks...

My personal exposure to the Middle East can confirm the above. I can't find out why the hatred pointed to the America and be so deep-rooted but the resentment is well established and wide spread. It is quite incredible if you think about it when two sides are fighting a "neutral" party could be attacked this way.

I use the word neutral because I believe that is what USA has been trying to be, Spain and Britain too

[lighthouse]

Originally posted by Dugg....................

"But with many of the events you mentioned religion was not really a factor, most were more about nationalism, tribalism, or just power, money and ambition. I cannot see how it is the belief system which has blood on its hands, it is the people who carried out those acts who are responsible. Now if religion was a motivating factor, or even a rationalisation, then maybe you would have a point, but in many of the cases you listed I honestly don't see it"

It's not so much the religion being the main reason for the conflicts here - though the holocaust obviously was and Roman persecution of early Christians definately was - I'm just pointing out that despite whatever the religion might say on the subject these people still butchered each other and their belief system prompted no questioning of the violence.

[abudahim]

Originally Posted by saikee

My personal exposure to the Middle East can confirm the above. I can't find out why the hatred pointed to the America and be so deep-rooted but the resentment is well established and wide spread. It is quite incredible if you think about it when two sides are fighting a "neutral" party could be attacked this way.

I use the word neutral because I believe that is what USA has been trying to be, Spain and Britain too

Israel is alwayse coupled with USA.
so if AL-Qaida attacks USA, it just like catching two birds with one stone. but not the opposite.

[brite750]

Originally Posted by abudahim

Israel is alwayse coupled with USA.
so if AL-Qaida attacks USA, it just like catching two birds with one stone. but not the opposite.

More like incinerating 3000 birds with 2 planes, eh

[saikee]

Israel is alwayse coupled with USA.

Reading this thread does show, doesn't it.

The thing that beats me, for someone outside USA, is that I would hazardously guess that 99.99% of the Americans have never set foot in Palestine and have nothing to do Palestinians, or have they any interest to know or get involved with them.

How the hell they got into this current situation? Is the Americans are really secretly dictated by the Jews as many Arabs have claimed?

The nuclear development in Iran is another example. Many countries also have nuclear weapons but that doesn't bother USA. Whatever Iran can produce it is not going to be a serious threat to USA any way because the Americans own weapons are more advanced, more in quantities and have longer ranges. So the fundamental onjection by the America, with no other country involved, has to be Iran's close proximity to Israel. But that should have nothing to do with USA. Why can we let the ISraeal to object to it? What has Iranian nuclear programme has to do with USA?

People outside America just don't understand why the America are willing to go to war to prevent the nuclear developement in Iran while nothing was done when the Russian, the Chinese, the Israeli, the Indian and the Parkistani are building the actual nuclear bombs? Have the America ever tried to look at a situation other than from a perspective of its own?

[LANMaster]

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[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by brite750

More like incinerating 3000 birds with 2 planes, eh

innocent birds.

[lighthouse]

I'd never been on a passenger flight before - until last week - and I just can't understand how anyone could hijack a plane full of people, the friendly guy flying it for us, and the staff doing their utmost to make everyone welcome, and fly it into a building. It just beggers belief.

[xico]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

beawitness has very strong ties to leftist groups.

However, this action on their part is correct so I signed the petition to get this story back on the front pages.

Thanks.

You were the one, but not the only one, who challenged me about having feelings for the Pals but doing nothing about Dafur (when I had not even heard about Dafur); but as you see we're both opposed to murder, regardless of who the executioner is. (Unless . . . in your case . . . the party is guilty of some heinious crime . . . [like adultry ])

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by xico

You were the one, but not the only one, who challenged me about having feelings for the Pals but doing nothing about Dafur (when I had not even heard about Dafur); but as you see we're both opposed to murder, regardless of who the executioner is. (Unless . . . in your case . . . the party is guilty of some heinious crime . . . [like adultry ])

I don't support the DP for adulterers. I don't know what gave you that idea.

Anyway, the African tragedy is really real, and the media needs to shine some light on it.

[brite750]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I don't support the DP for adulterers. I don't know what gave you that idea.

Anyway, the African tragedy is really real, and the media needs to shine some light on it.

The preception of problems in Africa is very bad, I think a lot of Americans see Africa as a great money pit, with the money never going where its suppose to. Also I remember one time we went to Africa to help feed people and it ended up with dead American soilders being dragged through the streets with people looking on in celebration.

[abudahim]

Originally Posted by saikee

Reading this thread does show, doesn't it.

The thing that beats me, for someone outside USA, is that I would hazardously guess that 99.99% of the Americans have never set foot in Palestine and have nothing to do Palestinians, or have they any interest to know or get involved with them.

How the hell they got into this current situation? Is the Americans are really secretly dictated by the Jews as many Arabs have claimed?

The nuclear development in Iran is another example. Many countries also have nuclear weapons but that doesn't bother USA. Whatever Iran can produce it is not going to be a serious threat to USA any way because the Americans own weapons are more advanced, more in quantities and have longer ranges. So the fundamental onjection by the America, with no other country involved, has to be Iran's close proximity to Israel. But that should have nothing to do with USA. Why can we let the ISraeal to object to it? What has Iranian nuclear programme has to do with USA?

People outside America just don't understand why the America are willing to go to war to prevent the nuclear developement in Iran while nothing was done when the Russian, the Chinese, the Israeli, the Indian and the Parkistani are building the actual nuclear bombs? Have the America ever tried to look at a situation other than from a perspective of its own?

Iran is an islamic country (though they have crazy things, claiming it is islamic)
it is a threat to usa when an islamic country owns a nuclear weapons.

while we see it is not fair when USA permit Israel to own nuclear weapons.
does it sound fair ?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by brite750

The preception of problems in Africa is very bad, I think a lot of Americans see Africa as a great money pit, with the money never going where its suppose to. Also I remember one time we went to Africa to help feed people and it ended up with dead American soilders being dragged through the streets with people looking on in celebration.

You must be making reference to Mogadishu.
I think we were there to capture a warlord, weren't we?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by abudahim

Iran is an islamic country (though they have crazy things, claiming it is islamic)
it is a threat to usa when an islamic country owns a nuclear weapons.

while we see it is not fair when USA permit Israel to own nuclear weapons.
does it sound fair ?

I do not know if Israel has nukes. Do you?

However, I do not see Israel making threats to invade any country, yet many are making threats to invade Israel.

I often wonder if the USA hasn't secretly assisted Israel in a nuclear weapons defense program, but I do not know for sure.

[brite750]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

You must be making reference to Mogadishu.
I think we were there to capture a warlord, weren't we?

yes because the war lord was stealing the food