how many would join or rejoin military

steppenwolf · 05-Apr-2004, 03:27 PM #1

how many would join or rejoin military to fight bushs stupid war in iraq ?
i dont think i would or would want my sons to, or daughters either

pyritechips · 05-Apr-2004, 03:35 PM #2

I'm glad I wasn't living in the States and graduating high school during the Vietnam draft days and I'm glad I'm not in the States now (assuming that I was of age) to fight, and possibly die, in yet another stupid, wasteful war.

I think the basic premise of war is to defeat your enemies. I think America is just making new ones.

**LANMaster** · 05-Apr-2004, 06:14 PM #3

A very good point, Pyritechips.
I think the intention of the Iraqi war was a just one.
I honestly believe that Bush sincerely believed that Iraqi WMD were truly a gathering threat to the world. So I think the intentions were good.

But the road to hell is paved with good intent.

flyeater · 05-Apr-2004, 07:43 PM #4

If I was young enough I'd enlist at least. Iraq probably wouldn't effect my opinion much. The milatary has a lot to offer as a career.

pyritechips · 05-Apr-2004, 08:00 PM #5

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The milatary has a lot to offer as a career.

That's actually a bit of a problem the military has. A lot of people join for the education they can get and don't really want to be in combat so when they are sent you end up with resentful and possibly scared soldiers. I don't think Iraq is the place to be for "weekend warriors".

ComputerFix · 05-Apr-2004, 08:20 PM #6

Bingo Jim. Too many view it as just another job, not bothering to seriously consider what enlistment means with regard to war. I still remember the words of my HS classmates (now 10 years ago), "Saddam got whipped, nothing to fear there."

They too viewed it as a free education, or a jump start on a career. How many combat deployments have occured since 1994? More than zero, we know that much for certain. guess "no worries of combat duty" wasn't the right attitude to take.....

ComputerFix · 05-Apr-2004, 08:25 PM #7

Oh, and to the question posed....

Enlistment in the military should not be a political decision. If you want to serve in your country's armed forces than do so. Whether one faces risk in Iraq or Afghanistan matters not when the other guys are shooting at you...and be careful if you pull out the "dieing for something" cliche.

If you want to make political decisions, then go into politics.

EdGreene · 05-Apr-2004, 09:03 PM #8

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Originally Posted by ComputerFix

Oh, and to the question posed....

Enlistment in the military should not be a political decision. If you want to serve in your country's armed forces than do so. Whether one faces risk in Iraq or Afghanistan matters not when the other guys are shooting at you...and be careful if you pull out the "dieing for something" cliche.

If you want to make political decisions, then go into politics.

I enlisted on my 17th birthday. I served two combat tours (22 months, one shortened by injury)

My ARMY designation was RA (Regular Army) as opposed to US (Draftees)

Knowing what I know about this ill-thought out "Junior's Revenge" War?

My designation would change from RA (Regular Army) to CR (Caught Running)

ComputerFix · 05-Apr-2004, 09:54 PM #9

So why did you not run during Vietnam?

steppenwolf · 05-Apr-2004, 10:04 PM **#10**

WELL SO FAR BY THESE REPLyS ID SAY BUSH WONT WIN

pyritechips · 05-Apr-2004, 10:13 PM **#11**

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So why did you not run during Vietnam?

Lots of others did, and they didn't stop running until they saw the big sign: "Welcome to Canada".

ComputerFix · 05-Apr-2004, 10:29 PM **#12**

lol Jim.

It was a serious question. I know Ed took his service seriously, as he should have, so why not join them (particularly after the first tour, thus having "been there".)?

PaveFE · 05-Apr-2004, 10:52 PM **#13**

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Originally Posted by pyritechips

That's actually a bit of a problem the military has. A lot of people join for the education they can get and don't really want to be in combat so when they are sent you end up with resentful and possibly scared soldiers. I don't think Iraq is the place to be for "weekend warriors".

Out of curiosity (and no, I'm not mocking you or anything), but what stats do you have to show this?
Something most people don't realize is that (in the case of the Air Force anyways) only around 37% of its people deploy anywhere. Also, the majority of soldiers deployed are active duty, not reservists.

My opinion about reservists however, is that they signed up to fight if the time comes, not when it is convenient to their schedule. Most of the reservists I know are happy to serve their country. This of course does not speak for all of them.

PaveFE · 05-Apr-2004, 10:55 PM **#14**

BTW, if people joined the military, they should all do so EXPECTING to at some time to possibly go to war (no matter who's war it is). We train for it day in and day out, why would they think they will never go to battle?

pyritechips · 05-Apr-2004, 11:07 PM **#15**

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Out of curiosity (and no, I'm not mocking you or anything), but what stats do you have to show this?

No stats, just what I've heard from people that did it. And I'm talking Canadian military, not U.S.

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