[izme]

Something is really bugging me and Before I say anything I would like to make the point that I know nothing of Mexico and it's politics ect.

What's bugging me is why the people of Mexico have to come here to make it (not all of course). Why doesn't Mexico take care of their own? Is the Ruler of Mexico a greedy and terrible leader or what? The subject of Mexico and how it is ran is hardly ever addressed. How bad is it there?

Should we be responsible for all Mexican people for jobs and a good way of life ect.?

Something wrong with this picture. What is so wrong with Mexico that it's peoples are fleeing in such large amounts ect.? Can this be fixed by Mexico's leadership or do they not care of their people's or what?

I have nothing against The peoples of Mexico, I am just wondering what the ruler of Mexico is doing ect.

Thanks for your opinions.

I am totally blind in this matter


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[Infidel_Kastro]

Originally Posted by izme

Something is really bugging me and Before I say anything I would like to make the point that I know nothing of Mexico and it's politics ect.

What's bugging me is why the people of Mexico have to come here to make it (not all of course). Why doesn't Mexico take care of their own? Is the Ruler of Mexico a greedy and terrible leader or what? The subject of Mexico and how it is ran is hardly ever addressed. How bad is it there?

Should we be responsible for all Mexican people for jobs and a good way of life ect.?

Something wrong with this picture. What is so wrong with Mexico that it's peoples are fleeing in such large amounts ect.? Can this be fixed by Mexico's leadership or do they not care of their people's or what?

I have nothing against The peoples of Mexico, I am just wondering what the ruler of Mexico is doing ect.

Thanks for your opinions.

I am totally blind in this matter


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Jesus, Fish, don't you know that everyone wants to come to America?
Brother, this is a loaded question. Alot of this stems from decades upon decades of rule in Mexico by Partido Revolucionario Institucional, or PRI. They were and still are extremely corrupt and only took care of themselves. The current President of Mexico, Vicente Fox, is the first non-PRI president since 1929 not be a member of PRI. He is a reformist, but this will take time. The simple fact that Mexicans come here is that there are employment opportunities here that are not available in Mexico. These are very poor, uneducated people, that the only thing they know how to do in some cases is work. And they will. They will work as hard and as long as possible to support thier families. They want the same thing that most Americans take advantage of, opportunity.
Should we be responsible for the Mexican people? I personally feel this way: We have a large border with Mexico, and it is regularly patrolled by BCES and in some cases military units when necessary, and even before 9/11, it was heavily patrolled. And yet, pre-9/11 the largest unprotected border int he world was between the US and Canada. i could make arguments that Canadians are white, and Mexicans aren't, and maybe that would hold water, to imply that there is this veil of racism involved, but do I need to? Why should we be responsible? Because they are here, and will continue to come here,a nd there are two ways of dealing with this. We can try to keep them out. Good luck, it won't happen. The Mexican will is very strong. They are not here to hurt or harm, they are just here to try to support thier families. We could, however, be realistic. Mexican workers will use fake SS#'s to try to find employment. Most of the time, we catch the fake numbers, but sometimes they will use someone elses number. Why don't we do a very simple thing. Allow them to register to work ( and I thought of this WAY before Bush came up with his idea) and tax them just like Americans, with maybe a higher tax rate as a foreign worker. Most of these workers will never collect social security, in fact, most of them will retire to Mexico so they can be with thier families, but if we tax and legitimize them, we can all stop griping about the healthcare system, which the Mexican people are over-burdening, there are just as many Americans that don't have insurance, and in fact, most "illegal aliens" will pay their bills if they don't have insurance faster than US citizens( not my opinion, just a fact from the doctor next door and his experience). If we allow them to work openly, and tax them, just like us, we can perhaps make a small dent in some SS line-items.
OK, lets hear from all the bashers.
(This has the possibilty of being a really good thread as long as we are civil. This also has the possibility to get out of hand and allow people to amke some really ignorant remarks, so just for once , think before you type and lets have some real intelligent discussion here. Or I'll take my football and go home)

[oldie]

Copy the "European Union" As of may 1st 2004 the EU bloc will have 25 member countries, making it the worlds largest trading community With more countries hoping to join in the next decade or so.

No border controls. No passport required etc

Incidently, a united continent of the Americas is still an item of serious dicussion in at least one of your think tanks

Oldie

[Infidel_Kastro]

Originally Posted by oldie

Copy the "European Union" As of may 1st 2004 the EU bloc will have 25 member countries, making it the worlds largest trading community With more countries hoping to join in the next decade or so.

No border controls. No passport required etc

Incidently, a united continent of the Americas is still an item of serious dicussion in at least one of your think tanks

Oldie

An open North American. No passports.
Someone, quick, alert AcaCandy that she may finally be able to get some good beer.
I really don't see an open border anytime soon because of 9/11. I have contemplated making Mexico the 52nd state many times, but realistically know it would never happen because it would bog our economy down for about 10 years, nnot to mentiona all the nationalism that would occur, however, cheap prescriptions are appealing...

[oldie]

Take a vacation there sometime perhaps. Havn't been myself but if they have any Latin blood running through their veins then one can learn much from them. How to relax ( ) close family ties, and above all a certain zest for life = VITA

Oldie

[izme]

wow and thanks Infadel Kast & oldie

It's kind of strange to me that we never talk about what the current President is doing to Mexico. So many folks know very little about mexico because of this. I knew alot were very poor ect. Just wondered why.
Should we hold this Mexican President responsible for the exodus of alot of it's people's?

I hope this does not end up getting ugly, but I am sure that alot of us want to know why this is happening


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[Infidel_Kastro]

Originally Posted by izme

wow and thanks Infadel Kast & oldie

It's kind of strange to me that we never talk about what the current President is doing to Mexico. So many folks know very little about mexico because of this. I knew alot were very poor ect. Just wondered why.
Should we hold this Mexican President responsible for the exodus of alot of it's people's?

I hope this does not end up getting ugly, but I am sure that alot of us want to know why this is happening


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Fish,
I have criticized Fox many times for trying to force Mexico's view on immigration onto the US. I personally find it quite sad that the land from where my family came from, has to try to influence the neighboring US, to not deport its people. Fox is way off base anytime he criticizes US policy on immigration. Its our country, and only we are allowed to criticize. Fox needs to stop wasting time trying to keep Mexicans over here, and instead focus on rebuilding his country. Now there are some bright points, you are now seeing a new influx of younger Mexicans becoming educated, and then going back to Mexico to try to fix thier country. And before anyone goes nuts about "illegal aliens" going to US colleges, these are Mexican-Americans, born and raised here, that are going back to resrrect a once great country with lits of potential.

[izme]

Originally Posted by infidel_kast

Fish,
I have criticized Fox many times for trying to force Mexico's view on immigration onto the US. I personally find it quite sad that the land from where my family came from, has to try to influence the neighboring US, to not deport its people. Fox is way off base anytime he criticizes US policy on immigration. Its our country, and only we are allowed to criticize. Fox needs to stop wasting time trying to keep Mexicans over here, and instead focus on rebuilding his country. Now there are some bright points, you are now seeing a new influx of younger Mexicans becoming educated, and then going back to Mexico to try to fix thier country. And before anyone goes nuts about "illegal aliens" going to US colleges, these are Mexican-Americans, born and raised here, that are going back to reserrect a once great country with lits of potential.

Sounds good to me, You have my curiousity with this Character named Fox, I will have to look into this.
I have went so many years in the dark when it comes to Mexico, it seems to be a taboo subject. I have a few mexican friends that their family's left a long time ago but do not talk much about mexico.

I hope this post helps alot of us better understand the whole Mexican picture.
I hope these educated people do make Mexico better also.