[LANMaster]

LAW OF THE LAND
Will you wake up to Islamic prayer call?
U.S. Muslims liken loudspeakers on mosques to church bells

A holy war of sorts is heating up in a Detroit suburb, where members of the local Muslim community want loudspeakers on mosques to announce the Islamic call to prayer five times each day.

But the idea is running into opposition from other residents of Hamtramck, Mich., many of whom are Christian, who think the prayer calls as early as 6 a.m. and as late as 10 p.m. would be disruptive.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=38044

My take on this. I have complained a few times about the church behind my home playing their canned bells every Sunday morning at 11:AM. Sundays are my sleep-in day, and I take full advantage of that.

But, hey, it's 11:am. So my argument fell on deaf ears and smirks.

But this Islamic YELLING at 6:AM ???
No f'ing way. This is taking religious tolerance WAY too far.

[AlbertB]

DING F'ing DONG!!!!!! Serves you right you lazy beggar - GET UP!

[LANMaster]

LMAO! Somehow even canned mellow bells seem FAR better than Muslim chanting for 30 minutes at 6:00AM.

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

LMAO! Somehow even canned mellow bells seem FAR better than Muslim chanting for 30 minutes at 6:00AM.

Yup...it's a bit much. Why the need for the call? Shouldn't it be done automatically by the one who worships?

[LANMaster]

Yup, it's that personal responsibility thang again. Ain't it a beyatch?

[Ciberblade]

personal responsibility I thought you were in the USA! *that reminds me* I drink too much Mountain Dew, have to get that brief filed!

[angelize56]

My Aunt lives VERY near there in the city of Hamtramck and believe me....the call is VERY LOUD!! And the Muslims are saying it compares to church bells! Uh uh!! They BLARE this message FIVE times a day and it is very disturbing! There is of course a large Polish population in the city. I noticed on the news at the city council meeting that there were MANY MANY people there but I only noticed one Arab who looked to be maybe 17 years old. I say that the church should get the same speakers at the same volume and BLARE at the same time as the mosque and I bet BOTH would then be told to lose the loudspeakers! It's just ridiculous to have to hear that from the mosque EVERY day!!! My Aunt says that the residents of Hamtramck can't stand the noise and intrusion on their right to NOT be disturbed while shopping by the mosque and especially living near it. What next eh! Take care. angel

[AlbertB]

Hasn't anyone out there got a rifle? A land full of guns and there isn't one handy when you need it. A few dings in the loudspeakers should sort this problem out.

[pyritechips]

Moslem prayer call, church bells, some punk with a 5,000 watt car stereo...who cares what the noise; just shut the frig up already!

[rextilleon]

Sell your houses now!

[Ciberblade]

Church bells have been known to ring for 30 to 45 seconds...if it's the same with the calls...it can be tuned out

[AlbertB]

Moslem prayer call, church bells, some punk with a 5,000 watt car stereo...who cares what the noise; just shut the frig up already!

Creased up Jim. Such feeling. And absolutely right.

This goes back to your hijacked discussion on changing laws to allow freedom of religious expression though doesn't it! Will they have the cohones to stand up and say no in the face of religious criticism?

[pyritechips]

Aha Albert! You noticed the continuity in my arguments, didn't you? I was going to suggest to tag this thread onto mine, but it serves just as well on its own.

[angelize56]

UPDATE:

Hamtramck Residents To Hear Prayer Broadcasts
Issue Sparks Heated Debate Among Residents

POSTED: 9:13 am EDT April 21, 2004
UPDATED: 9:43 am EDT April 21, 2004

Hamtramck residents will soon be hearing a Muslim call to prayer five times a day following a unanimous vote by the City Council Tuesday night.

The issue of sending out the prayer on a loudspeaker in the city sparked a heated debate among residents.

"If you guys think about it, the Muslim call to prayer is actually a beautiful thing," an unidentified man who supported the issue said during the City Council meeting.

Some residents are opposed to the call to prayer, saying it gives state sponsorship of a religion and it lifts Islam above all other religions in Hamtramck, Local 4 reported.

"I would say that is a distortion," Hamtramck City Councilwoman Karen Majewski said. "We worked very hard to craft this ordinance in such a way that it would cover all means of religious expression."

Resident Maria Radtke called it "one big mess."

"There'll be no peace as far as I'm concerned," Radtke said.

Resident Bob Golen also opposes the call to prayer. He said he is a Christian and does not believe in the tenants of the Muslim faith.

Majewski said the ordinance will allow the city "a way to deal with all religions, not simply the Muslim call to prayer."

The councilwoman also said the amendment to the noise ordinance passed by the City Council "gives us the flexibility to adjust the number of speakers, the direction of the speakers, the level of loudness. So that will all depend on the community response, on the particular neighborhood that the mosque may be in, because we have several mosques, and the particularities of each case."

City Council members may have voted to allow the daily prayer, but they have not yet set a decibel level for the mosques. The council will make the decision at a meeting next week.

The calls are expected to begin in May with broadcasts between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.


As for complaints of the noise pollution created by the call to prayer, Majewski said there are other noise issues because Hamtramck is an urban city.

"We have a lot of noise on our streets," Majewski said.

She said there is flexibility within the ordinance to deal with all of the noise problems such as cars, trains and noisy neighbors.

"This ordinance gives us a way, a mechanism, by which to deal with these complaints," Majewski said.

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by angelize56

"There'll be no peace as far as I'm concerned," Radtke said.

There will never be a peace where everybody "gets along" people are too different for that. We can work towards treating eachother in a better way. It seems most religions teach peace in it's simplest form -- and yet there is so much anger if your of another religion? Learn more think less