[poochee]

Paq...I agree about the religion thing!

[bordercollie]

Paq - well said - you have it in a nutshell

Was Diana murdered? - in my opinion she probably was. She was becoming an embarrassment to the Royal Family and unfortunately went on Television and said rather more than she should have done. She began to think she was far more important than she really was. She married Prince Charles knowing about Camilla right from the beginning. Charles never had any intention of giving up Camilla, but probably married Diana under pressure to produce an heir to the throne. Diana had a series of affairs (in fact there is rumour as to the father of her second son, and the young man bears an uncanny resemblance to one of Diana's lovers). A lot of people don't like Camilla, but in her, Camilla's, defense it has to be said that she has never once said anything derogatory about the Royal Family - even when she has been insulted unmercifully by the British Press.

With regard to her being pregnant when she died - we will never know because the French embalmed her within hours of her death.

As far as her former butler is concerned his brother is married to my cousin, and his family are some of the most down to earth and honest people you would ever meet. His family are a coal mining family and very well respected. If he wanted to cause problems for the Royal Family there are many secrets he could tell which would do so, but that is not his intention. He idolised Diana, sometimes to his wife's disapproval, and he would never say or do anything which would deliberately sully her memory.

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

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The Fayed Mercedes limo, in Paris was Stolen and recovered undamaged only two weeks before the fatal crash....

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the polar explorer and ex SAS soldier described how such a car could be "Jarked" (SAS expression) by interposing a radio receiver to the electronic "Brain" - the ECU - and control the speed and acceleration. ....

Hi Paq,

Interesting theory but there are elements Tom Bower ignore :

- the car involved in the accident was the proprety of the hotel where the couple was rooming not Fayed's car,
- it was a Mercedes S 600. At that time, it was a revolutionary model : the car has 3 brains : one for the injection system, one for the regulation of speed and brake and the last for the miscellaneous electronical devices. It is a really heck of a job to 'jark' this kind of car, when you open her bonnet, all you see is a very complex 'factory' and you need a very specialized equipment and a very good training to jam with the electronics. As the car was permanently provided to the clientele of the hotel, a 'jarking' should have been schemed many weeks before (during a maintenance routine in a Mercedes garage),
- the car crashed in a long tunnel, a tunnel of the new generation with heavy concrete structures (I know the tunnel as I've already used it many times), how do you get radiowaves working in it from an outside remote control.

I believe the couple died in a mere accident. But that accident was 'heaven-sent' for a lot of people.

[Paquadez]

Chicon:

Actually, Tom Bowyer didn't say anything about the assasination theory: he merely told the tale from Mohamed Fayed's perspective since the book as about him.

Having had a bit to do with automotive ECUs and mapping, it is actually not that difficult to interpose trojan systems. For a few years, all EU automotive manufacturers have been compelled to release design and service data into the public domain. (This was to counter the monopolistic practices of major manufacturers and after-sales warranty and service etc). I did some work on the edge as a client is the major service and data company in Europe and the USA with Ford, Renault, GM and others as mainstream clients. We were evaluating methodology for concise delivery of service and repair data to service stations, as an additional value-added product.

It is a fact that Fayed employed ex special forces people as security operatives, mainly SAS. he also had one very senior retired Scotland Yard officer on his payroll and other strange people, It is also a fact that SAS interface with SIS (UK Secret Intelliegence) both during their service and afterwards; ergo, lines of communication between Fayed's security people and Special branch (of the Met) and SIS etc would have been robust. It is therefore quite feasible that SIS and their French counterparts DGSE had a concise timetable about Dodi and Diana's itinery. Special Forces troops tend to be very supportive of the monarchy and the establishment: most of he "Ruperts" (officers) are either aristocratic families or very middle-class establishment, believe me.

RF in concrete tunnel. Yes, I agree, however there were various vehicles including a small white car and motorcycles which were never traced....................... quite possible for the RF transmitter to have been operated (line-of-sight) from either, bearing in mind that it would normally be VHF/FM or even microwave frequency.

Anyway, as said before, I make no conclusions: I just promote a sort of "What if?" scenario.

Paq

[angelize56]

Hiya Mike! Good night from me in America to you in the U.K.!

*Big-Hugs-n-Stuff*

I don't care what anyone says about Princess Diana...I adored her!

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by angelize56

I don't care what anyone says about Princess Diana...I adored her!

Which just goes to show, Angel, how today, the mass media could do an excellent snowjob even on Hitler and Pol Pot; and how, with respect, gullible the public are, too!

Funny how the Dutchess of Windsor and the Duke, who together nearly crashed the British Monarchy and the state, too, and during very troubled times (The great Depression, WWII approaching), could be feted and greeted as paragons of all that was wonderful in the USA and elsewhere.

Worrying.................

Big Hugs N' Stuff back, Mar.

Paq

[angelize56]

Good morning Mike...and then good night! I happened to see you replied so thought you'd be the last person I posted to for this morning! I am not gullible! Maybe the media did a snowjob on Princess Di...but I'm quite capable of forming my own opinions of her! I can't believe everything negative I've read about her...I admired her as a woman and as a good Mum to Princes William and Harry! Maybe you in the U.K. know differently of her...but that's alright...you're entitled to your opinions too! By the way...your Queen is a snobby old lady! Good night Mike..and stop worrying!!! *HUGS*

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

... the mass media could do an excellent snowjob even on Hitler and Pol Pot; and how, with respect, gullible the public are, too! ...

Yup ! It's already done with the Che and his bike romance.

The media could have also made a show about Hitler's thinking about artistic creation during his paintings' period and Pol Pot's recurrent obsession of his well-accomplished socialist mission while agonizing lonely in the cambodgian jungle.

[Paquadez]

Yes, fascinating this concept, Chicon!

And actually, if you study Hitler's early philosophy and of course, Mein Kampf, he comes over as a sort of fuzzy social reformer. Early accounts of relationships with dear Adolf, from like thinkers and Vienna socialists paint a quite different picture from the monster he later became.

No doubt in the near future, some apologist will publish a book explaining how Hitler was quite a nice guy really and it was only the others..................... yeah, of course

Paq

[Paquadez]

QUOTE=angelize56

I admired her as a woman and as a good Mum to Princes William and Harry! By the way...your Queen is a snobby old lady
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Good Mum? Having it off with various lovers? Rotating between fits of bulimia and anorexia and excess? Spending time mainly on her self-image whilst the kids were looked after by nannies and nurses? Even, probably, having one child who is the spitting image of her main lover?

The Queen a snobby old lady? Firstly, she is pretty fit for her age; secondly, she might seem aloof, but is actually a very down to earth person. She has to create a special aura, 'cos she's a queen! That's what monarchy is all about. Never heard of the Queen diving down to Mickey D's in Kensington Highstreet, which is where Diana took the kids, both kids wearing back-to-front baseball caps, forsooth.

BTW, I am not a monarchist: I am a republican, (used to be a staunch monarchist, but I believe that it is well past its sell by date!), but I do happen to respect HM the Queen for trying to keep the monarchy intact during very troubled times, politically and socially and having such an odd brood to deal with and even more, for keeping up standards of behaviour, which was, apparently, her main grudge with Diana and Sarah Ferguson.

Paq

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

... She has to create a special aura, 'cos she's a queen! ...

IMO, a genuine queen has not to create a special aura as she has already one.
Grandness is a natural gift and not something that can be taught.

[Paquadez]

Yes: I agree with that statement, Chicon. Perhaps I expressed it badly.

What I intended to mean was that the "Special Aura" which her childhood, education, training and background imparts on her personna, has to be projected to those around her.

Hard for anyone to stick to principles when all the World around you is always determined to gravitate towards the lowest common denominator!

Excellent current examples, for me, are King Juan Carlos of Spain and Queen Sophia. They are able to appeal to commoners and demonstrate their "Normalness" as well as retaining their lofty Bourbon heritage.

But as for the late Prince Raniere (Grimaldi) and his brood, one can weep, perhaps?

Paq

[ChrisJones]

Was Diana murdured?? Hmm interesting topic.

IMO there is too much circumstantial and physical evidence to totally rule out the possiblility she was murdered. There are too many questions over the way the crash was handled, the autopsy(Why was she embalmed so quickly?), the driver (His autopsy showed he had a high blood alcohol content, despite CCTV images and multiple witness statements showing him to be very steady on his feet and he was taking medication that meant he couldn't drink and was apparently a rule he stuck to), the car, the white fiat uno (Who's driver turned up dead in an apparent suicide that also has had serious doubts cast over it).

There's just something, not quite right about the whole affair, there are too many things out of place. Paq has suggested some very good reasons as to why the British monarchy would liked to have seen her dead. Would they have really gone that far to get rid of an annoyance? My guess is we'll never know, at least not in our lifetimes anyway.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by ChrisJones

There's just something, not quite right about the whole affair, there are too many things out of place. Paq has suggested some very good reasons as to why the British monarchy would liked to have seen her dead. Would they have really gone that far to get rid of an annoyance? My guess is we'll never know, at least not in our lifetimes anyway.

All I can say, Chris is that SDECE (The forerunner to DGSE, the present French security agency an Intel arm), have a good track record of solving problems, er, terminally!

The were given a pretty wide remit during the Algerian crisis by De Gaulle and Les Barbus The Bearded Ones, were very effective; and still apparently are.

One thing I do admire about the French is that they tend to solve the problem first: and do the talking and politicospeek afterwards. Unlike the Brits, these days who do all the talking fist and by the time they act, the suspects have already jetted out of the country!

Paq

[Chicon]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

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The were given a pretty wide remit during the Algerian crisis by De Gaulle and Les Barbus The Bearded Ones, were very effective; and still apparently are.
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Small correction : Les Barbouzes (slang name for french secret operatives) instead of Les Barbus

A very fun and satyrical movie was released about them.