[g33kboy]

what are your opinions on the U.S.'s involvement in Iraq. posotives, negetives, neutral?

[Infidel_Kastro]

Originally Posted by g33kboy

what are your opinions on the U.S.'s involvement in Iraq. posotives, negetives, neutral?

Ummm, not trying to be disrespectful g33kboy, but have you not read ANY of the other threads ?
Me thinks the answers are there.

[g33kboy]

oh... sorry, i just joined about 3 minutes ago.

sorry if there is any other threads of this already out there.

[Infidel_Kastro]

Originally Posted by g33kboy

oh... sorry, i just joined about 3 minutes ago.

sorry if there is any other threads of this already out there.

Welcome to TSG, g33kboy, and most important, welcome to the evil scary place we call Civil Debate. This a great place to learn and get insoght from people all across the world. All we ask is that you go through the threads you find interesting and post a response to them, if you agree, tell us, if you don't tell us, regardless, just be prepared to back up your answers. We can get a bit huffy, but don't take it too personally, we all have our good and bad days.
However to start off with, perhapos if you could tell us a bit about yourself and what kind of discussions you are interested in, we could point you to specific threads.
If you want abckground info on any of us, just ask, most of us will tell you what you need to know, and some of us (Fish ), you won't be able to get them to shut up.

[brushmaster1]

[Infidel_Kastro]

Originally Posted by brushmaster1

Oh sure, make me look bad with the logo and everything Brushmaster.

[LANMaster]

Welcome G33.

I'm certainly not happy with the progress so far in Iraq.
The whole project was a gross underestimation by the Administration from top to bottom.
I think they assumed it all was going to be a cake walk like the '91 GW was, but they were sadly way off on many counts.

Having said that, I believe that it was the right thing to do, at the right time in history, and I think the greatest mistake we could make at this point would be to cut & run.

Also, since the US is committed to winning this war, I believe that we all need to rally around the troops and the President to show the world that we are united and willing to see this to its completion.

[Ciberblade]

Well put! ___

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Welcome G33.

I'm certainly not happy with the progress so far in Iraq.
The whole project was a gross underestimation by the Administration from top to bottom.
I think they assumed it all was going to be a cake walk like the '91 GW was, but they were sadly way off on many counts.

Having said that, I believe that it was the right thing to do, at the right time in history, and I think the greatest mistake we could make at this point would be to cut & run.

Also, since the US is committed to winning this war, I believe that we all need to rally around the troops and the President to show the world that we are united and willing to see this to its completion.

Welcome g33kboy,

You will see varried opinions.
Consideration of more history than since 911 affects many of our positions.
I agree with LAN in regards to today's situation in Iraq.
The terrorists that have shown their boldness of late can not be alowed to win the present confrotation. They are a threat to all the free world, and especially the US.
However, Bush has manufactured this and condemed the US to a situation that could only be brought abought by lieing to the US citizen as to the status of the ability of a past enemy to attack the US. Of course the 'profit' motive didn't hurt either.
The war was the wrong thing to do at the wrong time.
Now there is an even greater terrorist threat and the monster that created 911 seems to be ignored by an administration caught up in another foreign war.
I believe in supporting our troops, and not returning an untrustworthy individual (with an unsavory, criminal would be more accurate, history, I might add) back to the Oval Office.

Iraq needs to be won. I don't think Bush can do that.

[plschwartz]

LAN:
Also, since the US is committed to winning this war, I believe that we all need to rally around the troops and the President to show the world that we are united and willing to see this to its completion.


So then if enough people agree with your logic then the best way to get re-elected is to go to war?

[LANMaster]

Think whatever you want, Paul.
I don't believe that this war was invented as a way to get re-elected.

[oldie]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Welcome G33.

I'm certainly not happy with the progress so far in Iraq.
The whole project was a gross underestimation by the Administration from top to bottom.
I think they assumed it all was going to be a cake walk like the '91 GW was, but they were sadly way off on many counts.

Having said that, I believe that it was the right thing to do, at the right time in history, and I think the greatest mistake we could make at this point would be to cut & run.

Also, since the US is committed to winning this war, I believe that we all need to rally around the troops and the President to show the world that we are united and willing to see this to its completion.

LAN - last paragraph please if you don't mind The second largest contingent of troops out there are British Please, please do not overlook that fact. The USA couldn't possibly go this alone, unless they welcomed world condemnation, which they do not.

As for the remainder of your post we see eye to eye. However I still feel the British high command should have been listened to a year ago, when they were strongly opposed to the Iraqi Army being completely disbanded. Now the coalition are looking back with the benefit of hindsight and realising a hasty gung ho decision was probably the wrong move

Regards - Oldie

[rextilleon]

This war was on of the great miscalculations in American history. At its basis are these bizzare views:

1. You can impose democracy from above.
2. That the masses in the Middle East want democracy
3. That Sadaam Hussein was a major player in world-wide terrorism and gave aid and protection to Al Queada. Hussein, as any expert knows, was a secular despot who despised and kept fundamentalist Muslims under strict control. (Maybe his only acheivement).
4. That you fight terrorism by shooting warning shots across the bow of terrorist harboring states.


Now here is my problem. Many of my conservative friends now realize that this war was a mistake, however, they are committed to staying the course. I don't understand why? If the end result is going to be chaos, or at best chaos after we leave, then why not pull the trigger and high-tail it out of there. Why put one more American serviceman at risk?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by oldie

LAN - last paragraph please if you don't mind The second largest contingent of troops out there are British Please, please do not overlook that fact. The USA couldn't possibly go this alone, unless they welcomed world condemnation, which they do not.

As for the remainder of your post we see eye to eye. However I still feel the British high command should have been listened to a year ago, when they were strongly opposed to the Iraqi Army being completely disbanded. Now the coalition are looking back with the benefit of hindsight and realising a hasty gung ho decision was probably the wrong move

Regards - Oldie

15,000 apologies to you, Oldie. Thank you for pointing that out.
I meant the coalition, of course.

And we agree about the way the decision-makers have botched the planning.

[oldie]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

15,000 apologies to you, Oldie. Thank you for pointing that out.
I meant the coalition, of course.

And we agree about the way the decision-makers have botched the planning.

Yep, I believe our views run almost parallel regarding the Iraqi situation. The fact that we have both shifted slightly towards the "End Game Plan" or to be more precise the lack of one

I only wish our top brass Generals and military planners were less constrained by their Political bosses

Regards - Oldie