[ground_0]

Hey Al!

Here you go. Your people, using your tactics, killing your people. Poetic justice?

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Riyadh on alert as outrage over bombings grows
By Roula Khalaf, Middle East Editor
Published: April 22 2004 21:44 | Last Updated: April 22 2004 21:44


Saudi authorities on Thursday stepped up their hunt for an extremist cell presumed to have been behind Wednesday's bombing in Riyadh, when a security building in the capital was badly damaged in the first direct assault on a regime target.


Western diplomats in Riyadh said they were on alert for further attacks from the same group that security forces have been pursuing in the past two weeks.

The so-called Brigade of the al-Haramein (the holy sites), a name that first emerged at the end of last year, claimed responsibility for the attack in supposed retaliation for security forces' crackdown.

Wednesday's suicide car bombing, which shattered the facade of a six-storey building belonging to the interior ministry and left five people dead and more than 148 injured, followed the discovery of five other vehicles packed with explosives.

"We don't know if the total bombs that had been prepared is six, seven or nine. There is no certainty on that," said a western diplomat in Riyadh. "For the past 10 days they [the authorities] have been going very hard against a group and its leaders seem to be on the run, some may have left Riyadh."

Saud al-Feisal, the country's foreign minister, pledged the militants would pay for their actions. "I think they [the militants] will face the ire of our citizens, not only of the government of Saudi Arabia, for what they have done," he said.

Wednesday's bombing provoked a heated debate on Saudi internet chat rooms over the "legitimacy" of targeting fellow Muslims, including Saudi security.

Internet sites that attract Saudi moderates agreed with a strong condemnation of the attacks issued by a group of independent clerics, including the prominent Safar al-Hawali and Salman al-Awdeh. But sites associated with more radical groups celebrated the authorities' embarrassment and offered justifications for attacking police, including an allegation that all Saudi security buildings were under American supervision.

The shift in strategy of Saudi extremists, who had until recently focused their campaign on western targets, has sparked fears that the world's largest oil exporter could be heading towards an insurgency similar to the conflict that plagued Algeria throughout the 1990s. One political analyst in the kingdom, who asked to remain anonymous, said there was concern the militants might begin to target liberal intellectuals who had been denounced by radical clerics. "We're reached a dangerous stage already, where it's a direct war with security forces," he said.

But a western diplomat in Riyadh dismissed suggestions that the extremist cells constituted a movement capable of challenging the regime. "You have to assume there are more of these vehicles out there and that it's impossible to protect all government targets, but this is about a number of dangerous individuals who have no capacity to mount an across the board insurgency," he said.

The Saudi extremist cells are part of the loose al-Qaeda network but experts in the kingdom believe that they take general direction rather than specific instructions from remnants of the top leadership.

However, the fight against al-Qaeda is more complex in the birthplace of Islam, than in other countries facing terrorist threats. The network has been able to recruit many young Saudis, including most of the group that waged the September 11 attacks.

A security crackdown launched after a wave of suicide attacks last year has been combined with repression of radical clerics. A national dialogue has also been started to spread more religious tolerance in a country that follows the strict teachings of Wahabi Islam.

[Al-Firdaus]

Originally Posted by ground_0

Hey Al!

Here you go. Your people, using your tactics, killing your people. Poetic justice?

A thread just for ME! I am so touched. I am just a blushing all over. *Sniff* Give me a moment to wipe this tear from my eye. *Sniff*

Now to business. Actually it is more like my people killing YOUR people. Let me explain. The believers of Arabia are trying to re-establish Islam in all facets of life on their peninsular. As dialog with the 'ruling class' is not an option they must turn to violence to accomplish their goals. It's like the colonists trying to negotiate with the british. It was a no-go. They turned to violence. Now, I do not condone the killing of the little girl. Insha Allah, she will attain Paradise. Those who were targeted support a regime that worships power, money, high status, etc. As you people do here. They like those here do not worship (OBEY) our Creator. As such they must be removed. By whatever means. For however long it takes. I know you do not understand. This is because you have not studied Islam. As such all violent Muslims are terrorists while not understanding that they are not. They are doing God's bidding. And He stated that they must not allow themselves to be ruled by an unbeliever. The fools must be removed.

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by Al-Firdaus

As such all violent Muslims are terrorists while not understanding that they are not. They are doing God's bidding. And He stated that they must not allow themselves to be ruled by an unbeliever. The fools must be removed.

I truely wish to understand. Do you believe that it is God's will to kill different people? I always have thought of God as a teacher, a bringer of enlightenment.

[ground_0]

Atta boy, Al, spin that story like a finely balanced wheel of a Saudi limo. A major source of Al Qaeda funding is Saudi oil money. The same money you claim those evil people worship now. There's a twist that you will spin yourself into the sand trying to explain.

By the way. Let me get this straight. It's OK to kill christian little girls, but not Islamic ones?

[Davey7549]

Al

They like those here do not worship (OBEY) our Creator. As such they must be removed.

The part I do not understand here is you stating that your Creator is different from ours. The term ours and yours denotes distinction that there is two or possible more Creators or Gods as we like to term!
Could it be we are worshiping the same Creator in a different way taught in the religion we were brought up in?
You state that you are saddened that a little innocent girl was killed but justify it by saying she is with God!!!!! Do you mean to say all the school children killed in the Basra suicide bombing were justified because they are also with God?

Al..... These are innocent children who barely had a start in life and are killed for religious values they have yet to comprehend but yet you discount their lives because of their final resting with Allah.

All the leaders I have seen controlling these ???????\terrorist\militant\freedom fighter\etc. whatever one wishes to call them have sent many to their deaths but yet not one is willing to accept the same sentence they give and sit back in hiding threatening further innocent children's death toll if retaliation if forth coming.

If they were true warriors then they would stand by all the individuals they sacrifice and be willing to sacrifice themselves in a honorable battle to show the true meaning of their cause. You know this does not and will not happen because what they profess to be true is only for a cause and not for them personally.

Dave

[ground_0]

Good point, Davey. When does Osama Bin Laden strap ten pounds of TNT to his crotch and walk into the streets to "pull his trigger"?

Hey Al!

Got a question for you. Since you admire these self-destructing loonies so much. Would you strap on a bomb and walk into a day-care center full of children and blow up the place in the name of your god?

And please, no stories about how this what those infidel evil Americans do all the time.

A simple answer. Yes or no---would you kill yourself and children for your god?

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by ground_0

Hey Al!

Got a question for you. Since you admire these self-destructing loonies so much. Would you strap on a bomb and walk into a day-care center full of children and blow up the place in the name of your god?

Lets be careful here. Al lives in the same state as me. I don't want to read about Al in the morning Washington Post.

[FlashyGirl]

Originally Posted by ground_0

Good point, Davey. When does Osama Bin Laden strap ten pounds of TNT to his crotch and walk into the streets to "pull his trigger"?

Hey Al!

Got a question for you. Since you admire these self-destructing loonies so much. Would you strap on a bomb and walk into a day-care center full of children and blow up the place in the name of your god?

And please, no stories about how this what those infidel evil Americans do all the time.

A simple answer. Yes or no---would you kill yourself and children for your god?

Forget about it,ground_0. he will answer you with some big long copy from someplace else. Every time he opens his mouth it is something repeated or something stupid of his own.

[Davey7549]

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Flashy Fan Club members list: Mulder(President), Pyritechips (Sergeant at arms), bassetman, bughunter, deuce, ??, ??

Moldy is the Pres...........
Seems he is a participating member of a few fan clubs!

Who is ??,??

Dave

[ground_0]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

Lets be careful here. Al lives in the same state as me. I don't want to read about Al in the morning Washington Post.

You live in the same state with crazy Al? You have my deepest sympathies. LOL

Where did Al go? I have to leave soon. He must be out on his weekly paintball warfare practice session. Al wears full body armor at those sessions. Likes to be safe.

[FlashyGirl]

Davey, that means the club is open for new members. lol

Ground_0, I think he is out looking for somebody else to answer the question for him.

[Al-Firdaus]

Originally Posted by ciberblade

I truely wish to understand. Do you believe that it is God's will to kill different people? I always have thought of God as a teacher, a bringer of enlightenment.

God is a teacher. He has taught us everything. How to walk, how to talk, the names of things. He is a bringer of enlightenment. He has taught us the meaning of life. To worship (OBEY) him.
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HOLY QURAN: I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.

He has taught us to control our lusts, to avoid the snares of Iblis, who is our avowed enemy. And he has taught us to kill those who seek to divert us from His path, if need be. So He is not inconsistent in His teachings, in enlightening us.
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HOLY QURAN: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

I don't have a problem with our Creator's teachings. Nor should anyone. Those that do lack understanding.

[Davey7549]

I don't have a problem with our Creator's teachings. Nor should anyone. Those that do lack understanding.

That is your understanding Al and your religion and its teachings. The world has many religions who worship the same God you profess to worship so is why is your scripture and teaching more true that others.

Dave

[EarthTech]

Islam, Christanity, Hindu, Buddists are all meaningless. There is only God who is of no religon. God had several messengers on earth. The prophets were to bring the word of God to his people. The messengers were no more than that. God is of no reigon and niether am I. I pray only to God with no others in between.

[Davey7549]

Born in Mecca, in western Arabia, Muhammad (ca. 570–632), last in the line of Judeo-Christian prophets, received his first revelation in 610. Muslims believe that the word of God was revealed to him by the archangel Gabriel in Arabic, who said, "Recite in the name of thy Lord …" (Sura 96). These revelations were subsequently collected and codified as the Qur’an (literally "recitation" in Arabic), the Muslim holy book. As the source of Muslim faith and practice, the Qur’an describes the relationship between an almighty and all-knowing God and his creations. The Qur’an also maintains that all individuals are responsible for their actions, for which they will be judged by God, and so it provides guidelines for proper behavior within the framework of a just and equitable society.

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Somewhere along the line someone decided the "The Qur’an also maintains that all individuals are responsible for their actions, for which they will be judged by God, and so it provides guidelines for proper behavior within the framework of a just and equitable society."
was for only one peoples who believed differently than what the original prophets taught or was it someones different interpetation than what most of Islam thinks is true.

Dave