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11-May-2004, 10:30 AM #1
Rumsfeld - Calls for his resignation
While testifying under oath, Rumsfeld has said,

"Needless to say, if I thought I could not be effective, I would resign in a minute."

Recently the "Army Times" -- the main journal for the armed services -- has written an editorial calling for Rumsfeld to resign.

I'd say that when members of his own armed forces are calling for his resignation, Rumsfeld can no longer be effective.

Some 275,000 people have signed a petition launched by Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry calling for US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign.

I would be interested in compiling a complete list of those who have called for Rumsfeld to resign. I'm talking about newspapers, magazines, high-ranking military members, politicians, and prominent people.

Here is a partial list. If you know of any additions (of well known persons or leading newpapers) please post them on this thread.

Newspapers:
Army Times
New York Times
Washington Post
The Economist
Kansas City Star
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Seattle Times
Toronto Star
Capital Times (Wisconsin)
Boston Globe
Free Press (Detroit)
Los Angeles Times
Newsday

Politicians:
Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif
James McGovern, D-Massachusetts
David Obey, D-Wisconsin
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11-May-2004, 10:35 AM #2
Honorable = Consistent with honor or good name: followed the only honorable course of action.
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11-May-2004, 12:32 PM #3
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While testifying under oath, Rumsfeld has said,

"Needless to say, if I thought I could not be effective, I would resign in a minute."

Recently the "Army Times" -- the main journal for the armed services -- has written an editorial calling for Rumsfeld to resign.

The "Army Times" is in no way affiliated with the US Armed forces.
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11-May-2004, 12:47 PM #4
So what's your point Lanny?

Reagan once said, "if I become senile, I'll retire", like he'd be able to tell???

Quote:
Just Trust Us
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: May 11, 2004

Didn't you know, in your gut, that something like Abu Ghraib would
eventually come to light?

When the world first learned about the abuse of prisoners, President Bush
said that it "does not reflect the nature of the American people." He's
right, of course: a great majority of Americans are decent and good. But so
are a great majority of people everywhere. If America's record is better
than that of most countries - and it is - it's because of our system: our
tradition of openness, and checks and balances.

Yet Mr. Bush, despite all his talk of good and evil, doesn't believe in that
system. From the day his administration took office, its slogan has been
"just trust us." No administration since Nixon has been so insistent that it
has the right to operate without oversight or accountability, and no
administration since Nixon has shown itself to be so little deserving of
that trust. Out of a misplaced sense of patriotism, Congress has deferred to
the administration's demands. Sooner or later, a moral catastrophe was
inevitable.

Just trust us, John Ashcroft said, as he demanded that Congress pass the
Patriot Act, no questions asked. After two and a half years, during which he
arrested and secretly detained more than a thousand people, Mr. Ashcroft has
yet to convict any actual terrorists. (Look at the actual trials of what
Dahlia Lithwick of Slate calls "disaffected bozos who watch cheesy training
videos," and you'll see what I mean.)

Just trust us, George Bush said, as he insisted that Iraq, which hadn't
attacked us and posed no obvious threat, was the place to go in the war on
terror. When we got there, we found no weapons of mass destruction and no
new evidence of links to Al Qaeda.

Just trust us, Paul Bremer said, as he took over in Iraq. What is the legal
basis for Mr. Bremer's authority? You may imagine that the Coalition
Provisional Authority is an arm of the government, subject to U.S. law. But
it turns out that no law or presidential directive has ever established the
authority's status. Mr. Bremer, as far as we can tell, answers to nobody
except Mr. Bush, which makes Iraq a sort of personal fief. In that fief,
there has been nothing that Americans would recognize as the rule of law.
For example, Ahmad Chalabi, the Pentagon's erstwhile favorite, was allowed
to gain control of Saddam's files - the better to blackmail his potential
rivals.

And finally: Just trust us, Donald Rumsfeld said early in 2002, when he
declared that "enemy combatants" - a term that turned out to mean anyone,
including American citizens, the administration chose to so designate -
don't have rights under the Geneva Convention. Now people around the world
talk of an "American gulag," and Seymour Hersh is exposing My Lai all over
again.

Did top officials order the use of torture? It depends on the meaning of the
words "order" and "torture." Last August Mr. Rumsfeld's top intelligence
official sent Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the commander of the Guantánamo
prison, to Iraq. General Miller recommended that the guards help
interrogators, including private contractors, by handling prisoners in a way
that "sets the conditions" for "successful interrogation and exploitation."
What did he and his superiors think would happen?

To their credit, some supporters of the administration are speaking out.
"This is about system failure," said Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican
from South Carolina. But do Mr. Graham, John McCain and other appalled
lawmakers understand their own role in that failure? By deferring to the
administration at every step, by blocking every effort to make officials
accountable, they set the nation up for this disaster. You can't prevent any
serious inquiry into why George Bush led us to war to eliminate W.M.D. that
didn't exist and to punish Saddam for imaginary ties to Al Qaeda, then
express shock when Mr. Bush's administration fails to follow the rules on
other matters.

Meanwhile, Abu Ghraib will remain in use, under its new commander: General
Miller of Guantánamo. Donald Rumsfeld has "accepted responsibility" - an
action that apparently does not mean paying any price at all. And Dick
Cheney says, "Don Rumsfeld is the best secretary of defense the United
States has ever had. . . . People should get off his case and let him do his
job." In other words: Just trust us.

http://nytimes.com/2004/05/11/opinion/11KRUG.html?hp

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11-May-2004, 12:49 PM #5
I didn't say the Army Times WAS affiliated with the Armed Forces. I said it was the main journal - - that is, it is the principle paper read by members of the armed forces.

The Army Times is under civilian control. Do you really think a government publication would dare to contradict Bush's policy and call for Rumsfeld's resignation?
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11-May-2004, 12:52 PM #6
Stars and Stripes on the other hand IS a military publication, and derided Bush and Rumy last Fall!
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11-May-2004, 12:53 PM #7

Thank you for that clarification.
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11-May-2004, 12:55 PM #8
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The "Army Times" is in no way affiliated with the US Armed forces.
Lan, is your new pic from the "VIllage People"?
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11-May-2004, 01:19 PM #9
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Lan, is your new pic from the "VIllage People"?
ROTFLMAO, now that is up for some civilized debate, i for one always thought of Lanny as more of the construction worker type
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11-May-2004, 01:22 PM #10
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Lan, is your new pic from the "VIllage People"?

LMAO !!!! Good one!
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I kinda thought of him as the Indian chief!
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11-May-2004, 01:26 PM #12
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I kinda thought of him as the Indian chief!

What? Not the cop?
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11-May-2004, 01:31 PM #13
Maybe on that show LA 911 (?)
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11-May-2004, 01:39 PM #14
You better not mean Reno 911.

I hate that show. Law enforcement is nothing like that show.
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You better not mean Reno 911.

I hate that show. Law enforcement is nothing like that show.
LOL that's the one! !
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