[EarthTech]

I have just watched the execution of Nick Berg. I have become so outraged at the situtation of the militants or who ever thay maybe. The Iraqis do not need this type of people nor does the rest of the world. Their mission is nothing but for their own personal conquests masked as a fight in the name of god. So after extensive consultations with fomer military and members of the American militias I hereby call to arms all those who are able, willing and with some combat experience to form a militia to operate around the world independent of any goverment control. The primary mission is to seek out these militants and such and kill first and take no prisioners. So do not send email unless you are prepared to give up everything you have including your life for once outside the US you will become wanted by most goverments around the world.

[jaye944]

believe it or not there are "Millitants" in both camps.

vigilantes never accomplished anything other than prooving the uglyness of thug rule also do that and you are no better than thoes that perpitrate these crimes. In fact you are worse, living in a democratic, civilised country, you "should know better"

if you go down that slope, whats to stop a "group" of individuals from taking "revenge" on a.nother person for jaywalking, or alledged crimes.

who's to say what is right or wrong, you...me...my nextdoor neighbour. We have due process, if the system is wrong fix it.

the moment you take the law into your own hands you've already lost.

just take a different look, thoes iraqi photos,,, if they were of american/british personal,civilians. How do you think "YOU" would react, what kind of reprisals would you call for.

War is war, this war was not about freeing iraqi people, it was primairly about freeing all thoes gallons of "710" !

Also the iraqi ppl have such a culture that they DONT have a democracy, you dont get given democracy, you have to fight for it, as the American's and the Britsh found out. They also have to realise this.

one other adage;

"an eye for an eye, leaves everybody blind": Martin Luther King

[Rockn]

Vigalantes never accomplished anything? Seems the towns people of MN got tired of Jesse James and ran his gang out of town. True liberal speak and you buy every word of it, you should come over and be a democrat. If it was about the oil why isn't the USA benefitting from it? WHay are the gasoline and other petroleum costs still on the rise? Why did I pay $2 a gallon for gas in MN (and don't compare it to Europe's pricing)

Bring Saddam back and let them wallow in their ignorance and filth and be the third world country they deserve to be. Scorched earth policy and then leave.

[jaye944]

the problem is "which vigilantes" are good and which are bad.

do you know ? then of course where do you draw the line.

if a group of people you dont agree with, lets call them "the minority", do you go after them ? of course lets hope we are never the "minority"

well of course petrol's gone up, how else are you going to pay for the war ?

we must feel safe in the knowledge that the law is there to protect us, otherwise you will end up with anarchy. maybe the concept of only the powerfull and rich can afford protection from the law is not good.

you can not enforce your ideas, customs on people by bombing the crap out of them, all that does is create even more problems.

all we do is tit for tat, it will get to a stage where people will forget why they are fighting "the other side" and only know, because its what we've always done.

Einstein said, "I don't know how world war 3 will be fought, but I know WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones"

[jaye944]

just another thought, had'nt iraqi "POW's" / terror suspects been killed whilst being questioned (or tortured). There have been unexplained deaths of people under the banner of "the war on terrorism".

what about quantanamo bay (sp?) people held indefinatly, let out with no charges.

it's very "easy" to shake are heads and say, look at thoes barbaric "xyz's". Lets start a militia, and go and kick some arab butt, or whomeever, what about the famillies of people who have been killed/murdered whilst in the hands of the "good guys"

its on record the attrocities that "some" GI's committed in Vietnam, so you can not say that it does and "has" not happened.

and of course we have to think, "is" the information were being given the truth.
are there other parties involved, did US or allies supply military supplies.

Only trust a politician as far as you can throw them. They will say what the want to get in, and once in lie to there back teeth to stay in.

Absolute power corrupts absolutly.

I dont agree with terrorism or any faction/government/politician which uses force or harm in order to get what they want. I thought that ended when Hitler bought it in his bunker.

If people do wrong, get them and lets do it the right way. POW's deserve the right to decent treatment (as accorded by the Geneva convention).

All I know is if you make a "Group" of people hate and despise you, you have lost, you have gained nothing and your original problem remains.

[Wino]

Sadly, I believe we (USA) had the support of the world after 9/11. We went to Afghanistan to root out AlQueda and the regime that supported them. Then it all went awry with the obsession of Iraq, and we lost sight of the ball, split our forces, now in an abysmal situation and little, if any, way to extract ourselves from this morass. I would have preferred staying on the Afghanistan program, draw all the terrorist there and fight that war. Iraq could have waited for many years. In short, I would rather our military acted only in Afghanistan, under a moral war IMHO. Let the military seek the vengeance as legally as possible - vigilantes have no place in a civilized world (although that is a stretch, even in my mind regarding the world today). We think of ourselves as civilized and we should act in that manner, regardless of the actions of the terrorist - we cannot become the terrorist.

[Deke40]

Originally Posted by Wino

We think of ourselves as civilized and we should act in that manner, regardless of the actions of the terrorist - we cannot become the terrorist.

[Rockn]

What is the cost of being "civilized"?? Are we to sit on our hands and placate them with diplomacy? We have lost the will as a country to actually do anything for fear of being labeled something less than civilaize. What is wrong with being a warrior and a soldier and getting the job done? The media and politicians have basically castrated the US military, generals have no real power and this country is in the freaking toilet because of all the crybaby, feelgood liberl assholes on both sides. Grow a set of balls for christ sake or move to Europe and become a vegetarian.

[Cédric]

Originally Posted by Rockn

and this country is in the freaking toilet because of all the crybaby, feelgood liberl assholes on both sides. Grow a set of balls for christ sake or move to Europe and become a vegetarian.

so how does it feel to be in the toilet all year long Rockn? Is it the reason why you got such stinky views?

[plschwartz]

Cedric:
I think maybe you leave Rockin alone as I have (reluctantly) done with GB
This anger is not the usual rockin. Maybe its cause he is cornered that he is striking out, or hopefully he is going through the Kubler-Ross stages of mourning
Sorry to shrink
P

[Pacalis]

The beheading of this civilian was an act of terror and not what we as Americans think of as a way to win a war. But if you look at it from the Iraqi's point of view, this is exactly the way to beat America. They are fighting to win, where we don't know what we are fighting for . Our troops are largely untrained for what needs to be done in Iraq. And what needs to be done ???
Where is our solution to this war ? If we went there, as Bush stated , to remove Saddam & WMD's , then we're done. I think it's time we concentrated on our real threat. We are only losing American lives. For what ? Iraq will never be a Democracy, it is ISLAMIC !!! One last point is , why was this guy over there ??? MONEY !!! I feel sorry for his family and wished it never happened, but it was his choice to go there, he knew the risks and was apparently willing to take them.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by EarthTech

I have just watched the execution of Nick Berg. I have become so outraged at the situtation of the militants or who ever thay maybe. The Iraqis do not need this type of people nor does the rest of the world. Their mission is nothing but for their own personal conquests masked as a fight in the name of god. So after extensive consultations with fomer military and members of the American militias I hereby call to arms all those who are able, willing and with some combat experience to form a militia to operate around the world independent of any goverment control. The primary mission is to seek out these militants and such and kill first and take no prisioners. So do not send email unless you are prepared to give up everything you have including your life for once outside the US you will become wanted by most goverments around the world.

That's quite a wake up call for you, ET.
This kind of brutality has been going on for a long time.
THANK GOD! that we finally have someone in the White House willing to take this overdue fight to the enemy on their soil, and not wait until the infestation reaches ours.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Wino

We think of ourselves as civilized and we should act in that manner, regardless of the actions of the terrorist - we cannot become the terrorist.

Yes, I agree. Illegal retaliation is still illegal. We must maintain the rule of law, whilst kicking the butts of these Islamofascists.!

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

THANK GOD! that we finally have someone in the White House willing to take this overdue fight to the enemy on their soil, and not wait until the infestation reaches ours.

[eggplant43]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

That's quite a wake up call for you, ET.
This kind of brutality has been going on for a long time.
THANK GOD! that we finally have someone in the White House willing to take this overdue fight to the enemy on their soil, and not wait until the infestation reaches ours.

I understand he's going after Saudi Arabia next.