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This Is U.S. Military Justice???


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03-Aug-2004, 07:28 PM #1
Angry This Is U.S. Military Justice???
U.S. Military Justice

The U.S. pilot who, through his own decision, murdered 4 Canadian personnel is facing:

A reprimand
One month with no pay
The possible loss of his pilot license for fighter jets
But will continue to work for the service
and receive whatever benefits are due when he's done.

Ms. Lindy England who, through orders received, embarassed Iraqi prisoners is facing:

Court-martial
36 years in prison

Does the U.S. military care more about the honor of prisoners than the lives of Canadian Military supporters?

I wish to express my very deep disappointment in these decisions, but the words that keep coming to mind would get me banned from this site in a heart-beat.

What are the values being weighed?
How does this make any sense?
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03-Aug-2004, 07:33 PM #2
.........gee last I heard Canadians have 'free speech' too..............
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03-Aug-2004, 08:10 PM #3
Lizard: A long thread about it here:

http://forums.techguy.org/showthread...ts#post1759689

Enjoy...it might take you al night to read it!
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04-Aug-2004, 02:13 PM #4
Hi Angelize56!!
I'm up to page 19 so far on "America's" war on drugs...didn't know anyone would need an 'upper' to stay awake on a f-14or16or??...must be a real boring ride...not much to do...Geezuz...What do Bush and Kerry take when they get fatigued? During the DNC an announcer noticed Kerry was sweating and that it was uncommon for him.
Hmmmm.....
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05-Aug-2004, 03:39 PM #5
Well, I started this thread to try to indicate the apparent imbalance in punishment between the two situations, but after reading the white glove treatment the U.S. Military gave to the pilot and wingman who blatently blew up four Canadians and are getting no more than a slap on the wrist, I couldn't care less if Ms. Lindy England gets 200 years for following orders and getting all excited about exposing some greasy gonads. Poor thing was probably from Alabama. http://forums.techguy.org/t256058&hi...t=alabama.html

post 301 by PaveFE from http://forums.techguy.org/showthread...ts#post1759689
"General Carlson determined that Major Schmidt, an Illinois Air National Guard F-16 Fighting Falcon pilot, “flagrantly disregarded a direct order from the controlling agency, exercised a total lack of basic flight discipline over (his) aircraft, and blatantly ignored the applicable rules of engagement and special instructions.” This “willful misconduct directly caused the most egregious consequences imaginable, the deaths of four coalition soldiers and injury to eight others.”
"Major Schmidt’s flight lead warned him to “make sure it’s not ‘friendlies,’” and the Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft controller directed him to “stand by” and later to “hold fire.”

post 304 by PaveFE from http://forums.techguy.org/showthread...ts#post1759689
"It's obvious that the words used to describe his behavior, and the punishment given, clearly don't match."

"The most egregious consequences imaginable" cute phrase. Must have been a press release.

I do hope the U.S. Military would let us know;
1. What happens to all their little bennies that don't get used right away (must be a real good underground market going on, you know, thousands and thousands of sorties, many only for just a few hours), and
2. When their pilots are going to get training that is up to par with other forces that don't need drugs, and
3. When Schmidt and crew get their medals for 4 kills in Afghanistan.

A few years ago, there was a crash of a U.S. passenger jet off the coast of Nova-Scotia. Relatives of the victims swarmed to the area in their berievement. These people of Nova-Scotia, overwhelmed by the number of Americans suddenly flocking to their town, and not having ample accomodations, took these people into their own homes. Together, they walked on the shores of the sea sharing their grief, they put their arms around strangers to try to help them through their terrible tragedy. All Canadians were proud of the extraordinary care and compassion shown by this tiny community towards our southern friends.
One of the Canadian soldiers killed was from Nova-Scotia.

This is much more than a slap in the face.
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