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04-Aug-2004, 10:51 PM #1
Bush May Be a War Criminal Its not a Tsg idea but the Red Cross
US abuse could be war crimes

Red Cross says Tipton Three may have a case

Vikram Dodd and Tania Branigan
Thursday August 5, 2004
The Guardian

Repeated abuses allegedly suffered by three British prisoners at the hands of US interrogators and guards in the Guantánamo Bay detention camp in Cuba could amount to war crimes, the Red Cross said yesterday.

The organisation, which maintains a rigidly neutral stance in public, took the unusual step of voicing its concerns in uncompromising language after the former detainees, known as the Tipton Three, revealed that they had been beaten, shackled, photographed naked and in one incident questioned at gunpoint while in US custody.

Their vivid account of the harrowing conditions at the camp, as told to their lawyers and published for the first time in yesterday's Guardian, has reignited the debate about the treatment of prisoners and the British government's role in their questioning and detention.

Last night the Red Cross was joined by the Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture, which argued that if the allegations were true they indicated systematic abuse, amounting to torture.

Sir Menzies Campbell, the Liberal Democrats' deputy leader, called for the Foreign Office to mount an "searching investigation" into what British officials had seen or been told when they visited Guantánamo Bay.

The Tipton Three were captured in Afghanistan and held at the US military base in Cuba for two years, before being released in March without charge.

One man, Rhuhel Ahmed, alleged that an SAS soldier had interrogated him for three hours in Afghanistan while an American colleague held a gun to his head and threatened to shoot him. The trio also said that they had repeatedly complained of abuse to British consular officials.

"Some of the abuses alleged by the detainees would indeed constitute inhuman treatment," said Florian Westphal, spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva.

"But we can't comment on this publicly since this type of allegation is raised directly in discussion with the detaining authority.

"Inhuman treatment constitutes a grave breach of the third Geneva convention and these are often also described as war crimes."

The organisation is allowed to visit the detainees to ensure they are treated in accordance with the Geneva conventions as long as it does not disclose information about conditions there. It can breach confidentiality in limited circumstances, most importantly, if going public would be in the best interests of the prisoners.

Sherman Carroll, spokesman for the Medical Foundation, said the report rang true in light of revelations about techniques of interrogation and torture elsewhere.

He added: "If [the detainees] had used the word torture, I would agree with that. This is more than 'torture-lite' [stress and duress techniques] ... Guantánamo Bay should be closed down."

But Major Michael Shavers, the Pentagon spokesman on Guantánamo Bay, said the US operated "a safe, humane and professional detention operation".

He added: "All detainees are treated humanely, appropriately and in accordance with the principles of the third Geneva convention.

"We have investigated all the allegations of abuse at Guantánamo Bay and have dealt with them. They have been resolved."

A spokesman for the Foreign Office said the government had always prioritised the welfare of British detainees and had given them the opportunity to express concerns about their treatment.

He added: "During these welfare visits, neither Mr Ahmed, Mr Iqbal nor Mr Rasul has ever alleged to us that they were systematically abused.

"And although, since returning to the UK, none of the three men has raised allegations of mistreatment with the British government, we have nevertheless taken up their concerns with the American authorities.

"At our request, the United States is examining the allegations in detail and intends to respond to them fully."
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Now what do you expect the right wing to say about the Red Cross?
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04-Aug-2004, 11:18 PM #2
I wish to provide a link to a fine site I found with this article:
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_l...gnewnormal.htm
Here is their board of directors:
Board of Directors


Chair

William D. Zabel
Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP

President

Tom A. Bernstein
Chelsea Piers Management, Inc.

Treasurer

James Ziglar
UBS Financial


Secretary

Barbara A. Schatz
Columbia University School of Law

M. Bernard Aidinoff
Sullivan & Cromwell LLP

Raymond M. Brown
Brown & Brown, P.C.

Lynda Clarizio
America Online, Inc.

Craig Cogut
Pegasus Investors, L.P.

Donald Francis Donovan
Debevoise & Plimpton LLP

A. Whitney Ellsworth
Publishing Consultant

Kenneth R. Feinberg
The Feinberg Group, LLP

Leslie Gimbel
Bernard F. and Alva B. Gimbel
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R. Scott Greathead
Wiggin & Dana LLP

Louis Henkin
Columbia University School of Law

Robert D. Joffe
Cravath, Swaine & Moore, LLP

Lewis B. Kaden
Davis Polk & Wardwell




Juliette Kayyem
Harvard University

Kerry Kennedy
RFK Memorial Center for Human Rights

Harold Hongju Koh
Dean, Yale University

Philip A. Lacovara
Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw

Jo Backer Laird
Christie's Inc.

Robert Todd Lang

Steven R. Shapiro
American Civil Liberties Union

George A. Vradenburg
The Vradenburg Foundation

Sigourney Weaver

Chairman Emeritus
Marvin E. Frankel
(1920 – 2002)

Executive Director
Michael H. Posner
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05-Aug-2004, 12:10 AM #3
How much you want to bet the Whitehouse will marginalize this subversive organization? How dare they......
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05-Aug-2004, 12:07 PM #4
While I agree the abuse is criminal, Bush didn't order it.
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While I agree the abuse is criminal, Bush didn't order it.
LAN unless you are much better connected then we are aware of, I assume what you mean is that you don't won't or can't believe that he ordered it. Neither do I know if he did directly.. But given the publicity of possible abuse there the question would I would ask is whether he condoned it. Certainly the documents prepared by White House staff on the non/aplicability of the Geneva Convention suggested he had the right to abuse. What did he do to indepedently confirm there was/ not abuse there. If he gave direct and specific guidelines not to abuse and it was done say by order of Rummy Feith or Boykin then this raises questions of his ability to command effectively. Authority always as its companion responsibilty.
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Bush runs all his policies by Lan before implementing them!

I say prosecute him! He is allegedly as much in charge here as Saddam was in Iraq!
As long as the Neocons are such hate mongers toward Kerry, I say let's bring it on with Bush!

Oh wait, Lan already told us to do that!
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05-Aug-2004, 02:56 PM #7
At this stage they are only Allegations. Many of the others that have been released never spoke of abuse.


In fact as stated in the article they have yet to even complain about it to the british government. Instead they go crying to some Liberal group who then asks the red cross what there thoughts are if the allegations are true.
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http://www.president-bush.com/iraqi-freedom.html

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He got a GPA of 2.35 as an undergrad?
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/George_W._Bush
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I post this although the web source is suspect. Part of it is in a letter to the USSISC (see ccr link given below. What they do ask is that an indepedent investigator be allowed to view the Camp X tapes. This seems reasonable

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WSWS : News & Analysis : North America
New US torture revelations
Former prisoners demand release of Guantanamo Bay videotapes
By Richard Phillips
21 May 2004

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Statements by former British prisoners at Guantanamo Bay over the past week provide further damning proof that the sadistic torture used at Abu Ghraib in Iraq originated in Afghanistan and the Pentagon’s infamous military prison in Cuba. The declarations were followed by new evidence that Australian detainees in Guantanamo Bay—David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib—were beaten and abused.

On May 13, Shafiq Rasul and Asif Iqbal, two British prisoners released in March, issued an “open letter” to US President Bush and the Senate Armed Services Committee detailing the abuse and denouncing Washington’s denials of torture in Guantanamo Bay. They have demanded full public access to all video and photographs taken during interrogation sessions at the top-security American jail. (See: http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/doc...012may04v2.pdf).

Held by the US military in Guantanamo Bay without charge for over two years, Rasul and Iqbal said they were forced into making false confessions after prolonged solitary confinement and other forms of psychological and physical abuse. In Afghanistan they were beaten and had guns held to their heads by US Army officers who threatened to kill them.

“From the moment of our arrival in Guantanamo Bay (and indeed long before that) we were deliberately humiliated and degraded by the use of methods that we now read US officials denying,” the two men wrote.

Interrogation techniques described in their letter include: “short-shackling” whereby detainees were forced to squat with their hands chained between their legs and fastened to the floor for hours on end during interrogations; leaving detainees naked and chained to the floor while women were brought into the room; strobe lights, loud music, and freezing air to make the difficult physical conditions even worse; and the use of dogs to terrify prisoners.

“We should point out that there were and no doubt still are cameras everywhere in the interrogation areas. We are aware that evidence that could contradict what is being said officially is in existence. We know that CCTV cameras, videotapes and photographs exist since we were regularly filmed and photographed during interrogations and at other times, as well.”

Physical abuse was commonplace, the letter continued. “Soldiers told us personally of going into cells and conducting beatings with metal bars which they did not report. Soldiers told us ‘we can do anything we want.’”

On one occasion a man who had become psychologically disturbed was lying on the floor of his cage when a group of eight or nine guards known as the Extreme Reaction Force (ERF) severely assaulted him. “They stamped on his neck, kicked him in the stomach, even though he had metal rods there as a result of an operation, and they picked up his head and smashed his face into the floor,” the letter said.

“One female officer was ordered to go into the cell and kick him and beat him, which she did, in his stomach. This is known as ‘ERFing’. Another detainee, from Yemen, was beaten up so badly that we understand he is still in hospital 18 months later. It was suggested that he was trying to commit suicide. This was not the case.

“We wish to make it clear that all of these and other incidents and all of the brutality, humiliation and degradation were clearly taking place as a result of official policies and orders.”

Under General Geoffrey Miller, now commander of all US-run detention centers in Iraq, it was regular practice at Guantanamo Bay for detainees to have all their hair, including their beards, shaved off for failing to cooperate during interrogations. Prisoners were also moved to the “Romeo” block where they would be kept naked for weeks on end for violating camp rules, such as having two plastic cups in their cage, instead on one, or too much toilet paper.

“We are completely sure that the International Red Cross has all of these complaints recorded and must undoubtedly have drawn all of them to the attention of the Administration. We therefore find it extraordinary that such lies are being told publicly today by senior officials as to the conditions and methods used at Guantanamo Bay. We are confident that records and pictures must exist and that these should all now be provided to the public in your country as well as ours at the earliest opportunity so that they can form their own judgement.”

Tarek Dergoul

Three days after publication of the “open letter,” Tarek Dergoul, who was also released from Guantanamo Bay in March, confirmed Rasul and Iqbal’s allegations in a chilling interview with Britain’s Observer newspaper. Twenty-six year-old Dergul had been so traumatized by the physical and mental abuse during his two-year detention that he had been unable to speak about it publicly until last Sunday. He still has nightmares, suffers memory loss and migraines and is being treated at the Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture.

Dergoul said that the methods used at Guantanamo Bay mirrored those used at Abu Ghraib and included sexual humiliation. American military officers also threatened to “render” him to other countries where he would be subjected to even more violent forms of torture. He also revealed that every time the Extreme Reaction Force was unleashed against a prisoner it was recorded on digital video by military officers. Lieutenant Colonel Leon Sumpter, the Guantanamo Joint Task Force spokesman, later told the British media that these tapes did exist and were archived at Guantanamo Bay.

Dergoul was captured by Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan and handed over to the US military in exchange for a $5,000 cash payment. He had nothing to do with the Taliban or Osama bin Laden but was wounded when US planes bombed a house where he was staying. Dergoul said that the sexual humiliation and violence that occurred at Abu Ghraib was standard operating procedure.

“When I arrived [at Bagram] with a bag over my head,” he said, “I was stripped naked and taken to a big room with 15 or 20 MPs [military police]. They started taking photos and then they did a full cavity search. As they were doing that they were taking close-ups, concentrating on my private parts.”

Dergoul, who saw guards with guns and baseball bats threatening detainees in Afghanistan, was accused of being a member of Al Qaeda and subjected to 20 to 25 interrogations at the US airbase.

“I was in extreme pain from the frostbite and other injuries and I was so weak I could barely stand. It was freezing cold and I was shaking and shivering like a washing machine. The interrogators—who questioned me at gunpoint—said if I confessed I’d be going home. Finally, I agreed I’d been at Tora Bora—though I still wouldn’t admit I’d ever met bin Laden.”

“They had already searched me and my cell twice that day, gone through my stuff, touched my Koran, felt my body around my private parts. And now they wanted to do it again, just to provoke me, but I said no, because if you submit to everything you turn into a zombie.

“I heard a guard talking into his radio, ‘ERF, ERF, ERF,’ and I knew what was coming—the Extreme Reaction Force. The five cowards, I called them—five guys came running in with riot gear. They pepper-sprayed me in the face and I started vomiting; in all I must have brought up five cupfuls. They pinned me down and attacked me, poking their fingers in my eyes, and forced my head into the toilet pan and flushed. They tied me up like a beast and then they were kneeling on me, kicking and punching. Finally they dragged me out of the cell in chains, into the rec yard, and shaved my beard, my hair, my eyebrows.”

A month later he was moved to a Kandahar prison camp. His frostbitten feet, which were not treated, became septic, the infection spread and his toe had to be amputated. Part of his arm also had to be amputated because of shrapnel wounds.

He told the Observer that he was only allowed two showers in three months at Kandahar before being transported—bound, blindfolded and sedated—to Guantanamo Bay. He was held in a high-level isolation block at Camp Delta for over a year where he was deprived all stimulation or “comfort items.” Because he helped organize a series of hunger strikes and other protests he was targeted by the ERF.

For a month last year he was taken every day to an interrogation room chained to a ring in the floor and then left alone for up to eight hours with the air conditioning running at the lowest temperatures and unable to go to the toilet. The cold air would become extremely painful on his amputation stumps. Eventually, he would be taken back to his cell for a few hours and then returned to the freezing interrogation room again. “It was not about trying to get information. It was just about trying to break you,” he said.

The London-born and raised Dergoul, who said he had been “non-political” prior to his illegal detention, told the newspaper: “I now look on America as a terrorist state because that’s what they have done—terrorized us—and I condemn Britain as well for contributing to it.”

Hicks and Habib tortured

In other developments, lawyer Stephen Kenny, who is representing Australian prisoner, David Hicks, said last week that his 28-year-old client had been subjected to “orchestrated abuse” at the prison. Hicks has been illegally incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay without charge for almost two and a half years.

Kenny, who is legally bound by a special agreement with the US military not to reveal conditions inside Guantanamo Bay, told the Australian media: “I’m referring to specific incidents that I believe were not just the actions of individual guards, but rather a well-known activity that must have been authorized by some reasonably high-up people in the chain of command of US forces.” He said that Hicks had complained to the Red Cross about these abuses in 2002 and assumed that this information would be passed on to the US and Australian governments.

Additional details on Hicks’s treatment emerged on May 19 when Shah Mohammed, who had been in an adjoining cell in Guantanamo Bay, was interviewed in the Australian media. Mohammed, a former baker who was handed over to US forces by the Northern Alliance, was released from Camp Delta last year and repatriated to Afghanistan.

He said that US soldiers had viciously bashed Hicks, who was bound and chained, on at least three occasions during two-hour interrogation sessions in Afghanistan and that the interrogations and beatings were videotaped. He said US soldiers deliberately targeted Hicks because of his ethnic background. According to a Sydney Morning Herald report, Hicks was “beaten for hours, denied sleep and shackled during interrogations.” The newspaper said that the most savage and prolonged abuse occurred on US Navy ships.

Stephen Kenny and Terry Hicks, David’s father, have called on the Howard government to release all information it has on these incidents. The Howard government, which, like the Bush and Blair administrations, claims that Guantanamo Bay prisoners have been treated “humanely,” has refused to provide Kenny with any details. It has transcripts of Australian intelligence agency interrogation sessions with Hicks but blocked access to these and other documents, claiming that it would endanger national security if they were released.

On Thursday Stephen Hopper, Mamdouh Habib’s lawyer, said that his client had been systematically assaulted in Egypt with electric shocks, beatings and death threats and then psychologically and physically abused in Guantanamo Bay.

Habib was seized in Pakistan in October 2001, before the US invasion of Afghanistan. Under the direction of the US military and with Australian consular support, he was “rendered” to Egypt for five months before being removed to Guantanamo Bay in May 2002. (See: “Howard government complicit in detention of Australian citizen by US military”)

In an interview broadcast on Australian television last night, Tarek Dergoul, who spent three months in a cage alongside Habib in Guantanamo Bay, confirmed these allegations. On the television program, Dergoul told Hopper and Mamdouh Habib’s wife, Maha, that he saw the 48-year-old father of four beaten and sprayed with pepper gas.

He said that Habib was kept in solitary confinement for long periods. His skin was covered with a tropical skin rash, he could hardly walk and had become mentally unbalanced. Habib constantly told Dergoul that his family had been killed by US agents and refused to answer their letters, believing them to be fakes. Maha Habib has not had any contact with her husband for over 18 months.

Hopper said the Australian government had “aided and abetted” the torture of an Australian citizen and demanded it reveal who authorized Habib’s rendering to Egypt. Stephen Kenny said allegations of abuse were now “so overwhelming” that there had to be a full inquiry into the treatment of prisoners in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

The sadistic abuse, sexual humiliation and others forms of torture used at Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and other US military prisons constitute the real face of the Bush administration’s “war against terror.” These actions, along with the illegal and unprovoked invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, are war crimes under the Geneva Conventions and comparable with the methods of Hitler’s Nazi Germany. All those responsible for these activities—from the top levels of the government and the military down—must be brought to trial and prosecuted.




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LAN unless you are much better connected then we are aware of, I assume what you mean is that you don't won't or can't believe that he ordered it. Neither do I know if he did directly.. But given the publicity of possible abuse there the question would I would ask is whether he condoned it. Certainly the documents prepared by White House staff on the non/aplicability of the Geneva Convention suggested he had the right to abuse. What did he do to indepedently confirm there was/ not abuse there. If he gave direct and specific guidelines not to abuse and it was done say by order of Rummy Feith or Boykin then this raises questions of his ability to command effectively. Authority always as its companion responsibilty.
Why is my assuming Bush did not order such atrocities and less valid than the continuing assertion here at TSG that he did?
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Bush runs all his policies by Lan before implementing them!

I say prosecute him! He is allegedly as much in charge here as Saddam was in Iraq!
As long as the Neocons are such hate mongers toward Kerry, I say let's bring it on with Bush!

Oh wait, Lan already told us to do that!

Bring it!
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Paul quoting the World Socialist Web Site? What a shocker.



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That site reports two different complaints one from GB one from Australia but similar in content. They ask that the Gitmo tapes be made available.
from that site I followed their link to here
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/rep...lk&Content=424
At this site also is the 115 page detailed report of abuse charges, synopsised below
FORMER GUANTANAMO DETAINEES RELEASE 115-PAGE REPORT
CCR Submits Their Detailed Account of Abuse to Senate Armed Services Committee


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Report of Former Guantanamo Detainees (PDF) 237 KB

Synopsis

In a detailed report, Shafiq Rasul, Asif Iqbal and Rhuhel Ahmed provide a graphic first-hand account of life at Guantanamo Bay. On August 4, 2004, attorneys with the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) sent the report detailing the former Guantánamo detainees' experiences to Senators Warner, Levin and Leahy and called for an independent commission to investigate the allegations of abuse.

Description and Status

The 115-page report is testimony by the three young men from Tipton, a poor neighborhood in the West Midlands of England with a small community of Pakistani and Bangladeshi people. All three were detained in Northern Afghanistan on November 28, 2001. In March of 2004, after 2 ½ years in extreme conditions, they were released to the U.K. They were never charged with any crime and were released shortly after they returned. The men completed this report solely to let the world know the truth about what is happening to the prisoners at Guantánamo and in the hope that their testimony might help improve conditions for those still there. The document was compiled by the Tipton men and their attorney, noted British civil rights lawyer Gareth Peirce.

The report details the several weeks that Rasul and Iqbal were held in open cages at Camp X-Ray, allowed out for only a few minutes each week for one shower, and otherwise left to swelter in the Cuban heat. Scorpions and snakes were allowed to roam the cells, and many prisoners were bitten. According the report, the US marines who ran the camp were “very brutal,” and the abusive treatment was focused in a carefully planned and sophisticated manner to have maximum impact on the individual prisoner:

• The report discusses the sexual humiliation of the prisoners that first began when General Geoffrey Miller, later of Abu Ghraib notoriety, came to Guantánamo. For example, the prisoners would be stripped naked and forced to watch videotapes of other prisoners who, in turn, had been ordered to sodomize each other. The sexual humiliation was reserved for those who would be most impacted by it, those who had been brought up strictly in their Muslim faith.

• The religious humiliation was similarly focused. The guards would throw the prisoners’ Korans into the toilet. They would forcibly shave the prisoners. There was a clear policy to try to force people to abandon their religious faith.

• The prisoners would be forcibly injected with unidentified drugs as part of the interrogation process. They were told they could only get medical care if they cooperated.

• Some among the British detainees – Moazzam Begg and Feroz Abbasi – have been held in total isolation for well over a year.

It is hardly surprising that as a result of these abusive and torturous tactics, prisoners routinely confessed to things they had not (and could not have) done. After endless pressure, Asif Iqbal agreed that he was the person interrogators pointed to on a videotape with Osama Bin Laden. The interrogator said, “I’ve put detainees here in isolation for 12 months and eventually they’ve broken. You might as well admit it now so that you don’t have to stay in isolation.” After being in the isolation cells for about six weeks, Asif finally said, “Okay, it’s me.” It was his pure good fortune that this was disproved by British Intelligence – in truth, along with the other Tipton men, he was living and working around Birmingham at the time the videotape was made.

Commenting on the report, Michael Ratner, President of the Center for Constitutional Rights, stated, “It is clear from the allegations made in the Tipton Three report that Congress must immediately establish a commission independent of the Department of Defense to investigate the abuses at Guantánamo. What happened to these individuals is Kafkaesque. Any door that opened led to more coercive interrogations from which there was no exit. This report calls into question the reliability of any information or confession obtained from any detainee. Every bit of information has been acquired by unlawful coercive techniques.”

“It is a very sad day for the United States, and humanity in general, to learn the details of what has been happening at Guantánamo Bay,” said Clive Stafford Smith, founder of Reprieve and a lawyer for many of the detainees. “It is torture pure and simple. It is cruel, and it is pointless. We have known since the Middle Ages that no useful information can come out of coerced confessions.”

CCR represented Mr. Rasul and Mr. Iqbal in Rasul v. Bush, the historic Supreme Court case that successfully challenged the Bush Administration’s policy of indefinitely holding detainees at Guantánamo Bay without judicial review. In its ruling the Court held that foreign terrorism suspects may use the American legal system to challenge their detention.
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I find that very hard to believe, but Abu Grhaib was an eye opener to say the least.
I hope they find the evidence to lock the perpetrators up.
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