[LANMaster]

Kerry praised Ho Chi Minh!

Joseph Farah, WorldNetDaily.com

August 16, 2004

(Excerpt)

You might think you've heard all the startling revelations about John Kerry's history from the new book, Unfit for Command, by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi.

Think again.

As I finish reading this book, I continue to find – literally on every page – new information that stuns even me, someone who has watched John Kerry's career with skepticism and alarm for the last 33 years.

Take this, for instance.

On June 29, 1971, according to an FBI report, Kerry praised Vietnam's communist dictator Ho Chi Minh, comparing him to George Washington.

At the time, Kerry was serving as the point man for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The president of the organization was Al Hubbard, who claimed to be an Air Force captain who was severely injured during his service in Vietnam. It turned out Hubbard was a sergeant who never served in Vietnam. He did, however, as Kerry knew, serve the communist cause with great enthusiasm and distinction – making propaganda trips to Hanoi paid for by the Communist Party USA.

Kerry didn't distance himself from Hubbard even when the lies were uncovered. In fact, he rationalized them. Kerry didn't distance himself from Hubbard when he became aware, as an executive committee member of VVAW, that its actions were being coordinated and sponsored, in part, by the communists.

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[Ciberblade]

So sad.

I still think that Kerry is presented the the public as a sacrifice just to get to '08

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by ciberblade

So sad.

I still think that Kerry is presented the the public as a sacrifice just to get to '08

I agree. He has done better than most thought because so many people want to vote against Bush (due to the media hatchet job that's been done on him) rather than for Kerry. But I don't think it was ever intended that he win the Presidency. 08 was supposed to be Hillary's year.

[plschwartz]

LAN

Well lets see. Washington organized resistance against the French and Indians
Uncle Ho organized resistance against the Japanese
"During World War II, Ho rescued our downed pilots and provided in formation on Japanese troop movements. Our Navy and OSS loved him. At the end of WWII, Ho adopted a constitution similar to ours and declared independence. He disbanded the Communist Party and called for a general election with all parties participating. The Americans on the scene were treated as heroes, loved and celebrated by everyone."

Well washington got ride of the Brits with French help.

After the Brits and Truman gave VN back to the French he then beat the French. He was again cheated out of his country by rigged elections from the south.
Finally he fought the USA to a standstill and finally unified his country.
Sounds like the founder of his country to me

[sligo]

Uncle Ho was a great man---you need to read the history of the French repression of his people and dont forget, Ho came to us and asked for help and we of course refused him------------

[plschwartz]

http://history.acusd.edu/gen/20th/vi...licies.html#01

Liberation 1942-45
Ho with OSS 6/45

* OSS helped Ho Chi Minh and his Vietnam Independence League (Vietminh, f. 5/41) fight the Japanese and Vichy French
* Vietminh and Gen. Giap trained in China, supported by Koumintang, led units into North Vietnam in 1943 to fight Japanese 21st Division
* OSS gave assistance, rescued pilots, provided intelligence
* Vietminh encouraged by Atlantic Charter's promise of self-determination
* Japan on 3/9/45 imprisoned all French, took complete control of Vietnam, on 3/11/45 declared Vietnam independent under emperor Bao Dai (who had been emperor under French since 1935)
* Ho Chi Minh declared the independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam 9/2/45
* Potsdam agreement allowed British to occupy the south and Chiang to occupy the north
* In the south, Brit Gen. Douglas Gracey rearmed French troops who reclaimed Saigon from the Vietminh
* In the north, Chinese troops looted the country, then withdrew and allowed Ho Chi Minh to rule from Hanoi
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0401e.asp
One lesson offered to America by the Vietnam War is the folly of forcing regime change in a nation whose religion, culture, history, and politics differ dramatically from its own.

As a story, the folly may begin in September 1945, when a slender figure stood on a balcony in Hanoi to address the assembled masses. He proclaimed,

All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States in 1776.

The speaker was the communist leader Ho Chi Minh (“He Who Enlightens”). The document being read was the Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. American army officers shared the review stand while a Vietnamese band played “The Star-Spangled Banner.” Later, American warplanes flew in salute over the city. The Americans saluted Ho Chi Minh, who had actively assisted the Allies against the Japanese during World War II.
http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history..._1941_1945.htm
9 Aug 45
At a spontaneous non-communist meeting in Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh assumed a leading role in the movement to wrest power from the French. With the Japanese still in control of Indochina, Bao Dai went along because he thought that the Viet Minh were working with the OSS and could guarantee independence for Vietnam..

Aug 45
Vietnam's puppet emperor, Bao Dai, abdicates.

Aug 45
Ho Chi Minh's guerrillas occupy Hanoi and proclaim a provisional government in the North of Vietnam.

2 Sep 45
On the deck of the U.S.S. Missouri in Tokyo Bay, Japanese representatives sign the Instrument of Surrender proclaiming their unconditional surrender.

2 Sep 45
Chinese Nationalists accept surrender of Japanese Occupation Forces north of the 16th parallel.

2 Sep 45
The British are to accept surrender south of the line under British Major General Douglas Gracey's 20th Indian Division, some 26,000 men in all. British General Gracey arrives in Siagon (South Vietnam) which is in turmoil.

2 Sep 45
The Communist dominated Viet Minh Independence League with support from United States officials seizes power: Ho Chi Minh establishes the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (GRDV) in Hanoi, and issues his Declaration of Independence, drawing heavily upon the American Declaration of Independence as well as Sun Yatsen's "Three-people Doctrine".

2 Sep 45
Emperor Bao Dai abdicates

2 Sep 45
Ho Chi Minh writes several letters to US President Harry Truman requesting recognition, citing the Atlantic Charter and then the United Nations Charter on self-determination. He received no response.

Sep 45
The head of the OSS mission in Saigon, COL Peter Dewey, is shot by the Viet Minh, becoming the first American to die in the Viet Nam war.

22 Sep 45
The British release 1,400 French Paratroop POWs from Japanese camps around Saigon. With some of the 20,000 French citizens living there, the French riot, killing Viet Minh suspects and ordinary Vietnamese civilians in Saigon. The defeated Japanese forces are re-armed to assist and restore order. The Viet Minh respond by calling a national strike and organize a guerrilla campaign against the French.

23 Sep 45
French troops return to Vietnam and clash with Communist and Nationalist forces and seize power in the south, with British help.

24 Sep 45
General Jacque Philippe Leclerc arrives in Siagon and declares, " We have come to claim our inheritance". The first Indo-China War of 1946 - 1954, had begun.

Oct 1945
October A purely bilateral British/French agreement recognizes French administration of the southern zone.

Oct 45
In the North 180,000 Chinese troops go on a "rampage". Ho's Viet Minh are hopelessly ill-equipped to deal with it. Ho Chi Minh accepts an Allied compromise for temporary return of 15,000 French troops to rid the North of anti-Communists. The Chinese troops of Chiang flee to Taiwan, looting as they depart.

1945
As World War II ends, starvation kills over 1 million Vietnamese.

[iltos]

just another case of a guy we liked getting just too interested in the idea of a free country....damn that man for his strenght and character!....everybody know washington was nothing like that!

ya know, just because we are making history doesn't mean there wasn't some before

[plschwartz]

bump

[LANMaster]

unbelievable.

[sligo]

Lanmaster, I always find it fascinating when a chicken hawk complains about Kerry portraying prisoners of war, when the most famous of those prisoners of war, John McCain praises Kerry?

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

unbelievable.

What's more unbelievable, is you're posting a review of a book written by a discredited individual(O'Niell) that made claims of an FBI report that isn't posted for reference.

Your blogs were more interesting .... .......

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by sligo

Lanmaster, I always find it fascinating when a chicken hawk complains about Kerry portraying prisoners of war, when the most famous of those prisoners of war, John McCain praises Kerry?

Last I heard, McCain strongly endorsed Bush to beat Kerry.

[sligo]

Lanmaster, cant you ever admit when you are wrong--no one ever said that McCain didn't endorse Bush for the presidency--McCain is a Republican and Bush is a Republican---I only said that McCain has stood behind Kerry's war record (something that seems to be an obession of yours) and still does. By the way Lan, when and where did you serve your country?

[plschwartz]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

unbelievable.

Meaning?
Do you think that I am unbelievable for posting this?
It is historical record.
Or is it unbelieviable that you that you trashed Bush without knowledge of all this or
what


I who respect Truman was dismayed to find out how he had fumbled the ball on this one. One report I read is that he was pressured by the conservative China lobby.

At the bottom he was a nationalist who wanted self determination for his people
Did you find it unbelieveable that he wanted to have a country modelled on ours. But we backed the colonial powers and then cheated him in an election with a Saddam type dictator.
How about a more detailed response since this is your thread

[LANMaster]

Unbelievable that anyone in here could compare the father of American Democracy to a Communist Dictator.

They were both male and human, and they were both leaders.

So the hell what.

unbelievable.