[Mulderator]

I am John Kerry.

I was against the first Iraq war, I am against the second Iraq war, but I
voted for it. Now I'm against it but I was for it. I support the UN.

I'm against terrorism and against the Iraq war. But I voted for the Iraq war.
So, I voted against the first war and supported the second war, wait...

I'm against gay marriage but for gay unions. I support gays but think the
San Francisco mayor is wrong. I support gay marriages. No, wait, gay unions.

I'm Catholic. Wait, I'm Jewish. My dad was Jewish. But I was raised Catholic.

What am I? I don't want to confuse people.

I am for abortions, but wait, I'm Catholic, and Catholics are pro-life. But I might consider putting pro-life judges in office, but I'm not sure. I do know I voted for a pro-life judge, but I stated that it was a mistake.

I went to Vietnam. But I was against Vietnam. I testified against fellow US troops in Vietnam, threw my medals away and led others to do the same.

But I am a war hero. Against the war.

I stated I threw my medals away then I threw my ribbons away. I then revealed that I threw my ribbons away but not my medals, then lately I stated that I threw someone else's medals away and never threw anything of mine away.

I believe Ribbons and medals aren't the same thing. Medals come with ribbons, so now I believe that ribbons and medals are the same thing besides the fact that ribbons are cloth and medals are medal.

I wrote a book that pictured the US flag upside-down on its cover. But now I fly and campaign in a plane with a large flag right-side up on it. But sometimes, we fly upside-down for fun.

Yasser Arafat is a hero and a statesman. The Israelis shouldn't kill Palestinian terrorists, but they should stop terrorism. Yasser Arafat is a terrorist supporter. I support Mideast peace.

I am for the common man, unlike Bush. I am against the rich. But my family is worth 700 million dollars has a jet and many SUVs. I am the common man.

I am against sending jobs overseas. My wife is a Heinz heir. Heinz has most factories offshore. I am against rewarding companies for exporting jobs as long as it is not Heinz.

I own $1 million in Wal-Mart stock. I believe Wal-Mart is evil by driving small business owners out of town. I am a capitalist and I own part of Wal-Mart but I am a good guy for small corporate America.

I own SUVs when I talk to my followers in Detroit, MI. Teresa owns SUVs, I
don't, when I talk to tree hugging followers. I have a campaign jet that gets 1/3 mpg, which is great fuel efficiency.

I am against making military service an issue in presidential elections. I defended a draft dodger Clinton and stated that all serve in their own capacity whether they draft dodge or not. Did I mention, I served in Vietnam and am a hero? Are you questioning my patriotism? I served in Vietnam. My opponent didn't. I have three purple hearts! I am a hero. I am qualified to run this country since I served.

I spent Christmas of 1968 in Cambodia, being shot at by the drunken South Vietnamese and the Khmer Rouge, while president Nixon was lying to the country and saying that there were no troops in Cambodia. What's that you say, Nixon wasn't president in 1968, well it must have been some other president then. Who was that president with the a phony silver star, it was probably him.

Are you sure the Khmer Rouge were not active until 1970, well I guess I must not have been there then. That's right I was actually in my basecamp in Vietnam at least 55 miles from the Cambodian border and I spent the evening writing in my journal about being in Cambodia. I got confused after I said it so many times between 1968 and 1986.

I am a real hero though, just spend three minutes with the people who served with me and they will tell you. No, not those 200 plus veterans who served with me and say I lied, and not all those veterans that signed affidavits that say I am a phony, I mean just these 8 people that travel around with me (my band of brothers).

I am John Kerry. I want to be your President!

[angelize56]

Yep...Mulder's a Republican!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by angelize56

Yep...Mulder's a Republican!

I'm just allowing the Senator to state his positions (all of them) here in open forum!

[angelize56]

He has more positions than a hooker at a prison rodeo!


I know...bad analogy!

[Mulderator]

Geez--no sligo reply to this. I'm crushed!

[Ciberblade]

That's great

I'm glad Kerry's positions got cleared up

[iltos]

Originally Posted by mulder

I wrote a book that pictured the US flag upside-down on its cover. But now I fly and campaign in a plane with a large flag right-side up on it. But sometimes, we fly upside-down for fun.

[plschwartz]

Originally Posted by angelize56

He has more positions than a hooker at a prison rodeo!


I know...bad analogy!

You mean that he is a competent professional with the experience to find the most effective way to get the job done?

[Lurker1]

I have been watching the TV and radio ads in Michigan for Kerry and Bush and have noticed that Kerrys ads are usually positive with him saying what he is has planned to accomplish when he is president in in health care, foreign policy, etc.

Bushes ads usually start "I'm President Bush and I support this message. Kerry" and goes on from there to attack Kerry. I guess that Bush has nothing he can claim as an accomplishment in his four years in office so the Republicans are left with only attack ads.

[Infidel_Kastro]

Spoken like a true lawyer Mulder.

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by Lurker1

I have been watching the TV and radio ads in Michigan for Kerry and Bush and have noticed that Kerrys ads are usually positive with him saying what he is has planned to accomplish when he is president in in health care, foreign policy, etc.

Bushes ads usually start "I'm President Bush and I support this message. Kerry" and goes on from there to attack Kerry. I guess that Bush has nothing he can claim as an accomplishment in his four years in office so the Republicans are left with only attack ads.

I have only seen one campaign ad for each -- then again this is not a battleground state. Do you have a link or transcripts to such ads? For either side.

[jmosmith]

Originally Posted by Mulder

...
I am against sending jobs overseas. My wife is a Heinz heir. Heinz has most factories offshore. I am against rewarding companies for exporting jobs as long as it is not Heinz.
...

FALSE!

Check it out for yourself:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp


Personally, I don't support Kerry, but I don't support trying to influence voters out of their fear, using half-truths, spin, or lies; why can't the TRUE facts speak for themselves? Why can't voters make an INFORMED choice; not a frightened one?

If all of the allegations in your post are true, then post the citations and independently verifiable evidence to support them! Why on earth would you be afraid to do that? Why would you be afraid that the WHOLE-Truth wouldn't say the exact same things, and support your candidate in the exact same way? If you believe these things, then why wouldn't you support them with evidence? If you believe you are making the right choice; for the right reasons, why wouldn't you WANT that to be irrefutablely plain for all to see?

Is the election about what is best and what is really the truth, or is it about fear?

I've shown you ONE point in your "resume" that can be VASTLY discredited, and is easily shown for the FALSE Spin that it is; I leave it to you to look up the rest, and I hope you will, because I'm not a Kerry supporter, but this negative libel stuff is turning me off to the Presidental Election entirely.

I want to read the TRUTH of these things; not opinions of them. I want to know that I am making the right choice because I know that I DO KNOW the whole truth and the accurate facts of things; THAT is what I want to base my own opinions on; not fear; not comedy.

If this is a "Civilized Debate", then let's actually have one.

As always, it's the issues and the arguments I raise comments about, NEVER the individual.
Thanks for the debate,
J

[Infidel_Kastro]

You can't argue with snopes, EVER!!!!!!!

[jmosmith]

Originally Posted by Mulder

I'm just allowing the Senator to state his positions (all of them) here in open forum!

I think that if this statement was true or in ernest, it would have been followed up by a posting of a Kerry response to the allegations made in the first post.

So my conclusion is that the opposite of this statement is more likely true, and that this statement is more of a tongue-in-cheek response; which is fine really, but in a debate forum, it seemed reasonable to point out.

My comments are about the issues and the arguments; NEVER the individual.
thanks again,
J

[plschwartz]

Mulder and telling the truth.

Mulders day job is like being a classical ballerina whose every movement is prescribed and choreographed - a strictly defined courtroom life where is is constrained by rules of evidence precedents etc the full stick of the law. And though he enjoys being in court in his Tutus (pink is his favorate) and some judges are impressed by the way he construes "being on point" it is not enough. So when he is free he puts on an old leotard, plays funky Jazz and freeform dances around the room.
Tsg gives his a similar escape from the rules of truth evidence and all that corset-wearing stuff he does for money. Let him dance free style here
So what if he is a twerp instead of a twarp?