[MrSatire]

A True Difference Between Bush and Kerry
Which candidate cares for the seniors, and which cares for the drug companies?
Prescription Drug Importation and Drug Manufacture Regulation


Main Points
1. Seniors have a hard time paying for OVER PRICED prescription drugs.
2. The drug companies work to keep prices HIGH to make a bigger profit.
3. Many seniors face serious health problems because they can’t afford certain drugs.
4. George Bush’s drug plan did nothing to lower prices.
5. George Bush’s drug plan was a multi-billion dollar gift to the drug industry.
6. George Bush SAYS he wants to import SAFE drugs, but actually fights against them. (See Current Links Listed Below.)
7. George Bush is currently fighting individual sates to stop them from importing cheaper drugs from Canada. (see 60 Minutes)
8. Under George Bush, the FDA stopped a bus of seniors returning from Canada. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in613086.shtml

9. John Kerry supports tougher regulation of the drug industry.
10. John Kerry supports allowing Canadian companies to sell prescription drugs in the US.
11. John Kerry wants to help seniors while George Bush wants to help the drug industry.


How much can seniors save by using drugs purchased in Canada?


Clarinex Canada: $27.50 US: $70.99
Lipitor Canada: $144.57 US: $204.57
Tamoxifen Volvadex Canada: $102.90 US: $380.97

Total Canadian Cost For These Drugs: $274.97

Total US Cost For These Drugs: $656.63 - Yes, more than double.

How can Bush supporters defend the president's actions?


Compares prices
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/drugs/

Springfield Mayor Albano:
“Major pharmaceutical companies are saying, ‘We're going to limit our supply.’ What does that tell you? It tells you that they want to keep the artificially high prices in America,” says Albano. “How brazen is that? It just boggles my mind that they can get away with this.”

Dr. Angell, former editor of the New English Journal of Medicine.
Safer asked Dr. Angell about the case the industry invariably makes to justify drug prices.

“This is a kind of blackmail. What they're saying is, ‘Don't mess with us. Let us charge whatever we want for our drugs. Otherwise, you won't get the miracles,’” says Angell. “And the truth is that they spend less in R&D then they make in profits. And far less then they spend on marketing. And they don't make that many miracles in the first place … The problem is, is that we're no longer getting our money's worth.”

Adds Albano: “The pharmaceutical industry is gouging the American consumer. There's no other conclusion one can draw. And why should we, in this country, have to pay the highest prices in the world? Why isn't the president doing something? Why isn't Congress doing something? Someone has to wage this battle. So we're prepared to do it here.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in605700.shtml





George Bush ordered the FDA to stop a bus full of seniors who were returning from Canada.
Why? To stop them from buying cheaper drugs.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in613086.shtml

seniors
http://www.suddenlysenior.com/canadadrugnews.html

Compares prices
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/drugs/

[MrSatire]

Notice that the Republicains can not defend Bush on this issue.
They simply ignore it and hope that it will go away.
Who cares if a few more seniors die because of Bush's policies?
The Republicain stradegy is working.
The Swift Vets slander Kerry and make this the debate.
Why? The Republicains know they can not defend Bush on REAL ISSUES!
Instead of discussing Bush's fumblings as presidents, they fabricate issues about Kerry's war record.
The distraction seems to be working, and people are ignoring REAL ISSUES.
Are their any Republicains able to defend Bush on this REAL issue?
No! So what is to be done?
Ignore it and create another slander against Kerry as a distraction.

[oldie]

So - whats new

[oldie]

Allow me a few observations please. Excuse also my Inglish

La Grande Differencia Between Señor John Kerry and Señor Jorge Bush Junior

En this campaigno presidentiale, there is un muy grande differencia between los dos candidates: Señor John Kerry and Señor Jorge Bush Junior, el greatest presidente en la historia de los United States.

La differencia es muy profoundo. For examplo, Señor Kerry attendido la universidad de Yale en los mid-1960s, whereas Señor Bush attendido this universidad en los late-1960s.

El net wortho de Señor Kerry is 800 million dollares, whereas el net wortho de Señor Bush is un meagero 15 million dollares.

However, la most importante differencia between los dos candidates es la issue de courago. And el simplo facto es that Señor Jorge Bush Junior is mucho more courageouso que Señor John Kerry.

During La Guerra de Vietnam, quando his country asked him to servear, Señor Jorge Bush Junior had el courago not to joinar el Army americano and later destroyar his recordos militarios.

On el other hando, unlike Señor Bush, Señor Kerry tookar el patho uncourageouso and wonar tres heartos purples during La Guerra de Vietnam.

Even today, muchos yearos after La Guerra de Vietnam Señor Bush still has el courago to sendar los sonos and las daughteras of otros peoples to fightar en los waros americanos.

La choica is cleara. Our countrio needs Señor Jorge Bush Junior.

Thank you - Oldie

[GoneForNow]

Actually, the propaganda that is put forth from the source you quote it isn't worth the time or effort to debunk. One only has so many years of life, responding to everything that is clearly hyperbole and inaccurate isn't worth the loss of that limited time. And no, I'm not going to spend my time rebutting it nor is my failure to respond to future challenges by anyone to challenge it an indication that the propaganda is true. Again, not worth my time or effort.

[Davey7549]

Nor am I going to respond to ridiculous claims that Bush is responsible for this dilemma! Kerry is all talk and little possible go on this cause! What do you expect Bush to do? Jump in and regulate the Drug Companies? Mandate Price controls? Oh... probably subsidize full cost of prescription drugs!
This is not a Government matter it is a consumer matter that needs correcting by purchase elsewhere as many states are suggesting and elderly are doing! The drug companies can only go so far in restricting supply before their bottom line is hit or when some other drug company comes in and prices down a similar product.
Price fixing and price rollbacks do not work! It is only Carterizing the situation and not allowing the free market control the costs.
As long as other options, Canadian, European, and Mexican sources are available and people use them the drug companies will be forced to reconsider their price gouging ways!
So far I have not seen much in the way of federal resistance to the out of country buying trend and that is at it should be!

Dave

[Stoner]

El net wortho de Señor Kerry is 800 million dollares, whereas el net wortho de Señor Bush is un meagero 15 million dollares.

incorrect.

[MrSatire]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

Actually, the propaganda that is put forth from the source you quote it isn't worth the time or effort to debunk. .

Let me see.
How many sources do you want?
ABC
CBS
NBC
PBS
CNN
60 minutes has done the best job so far.
This is the typical Republicain ploy when faced with a hard issue.
Yell "Propaganda" then run away from the issue.
Sorry, it doesn't work on this issue.
Too many main stream sources are cited.
The original links are valid and a simple google search produces thousands more.
Tell me,
How many seniors have died because they couldn't afford a prescription?

[iltos]

Originally Posted by oldie

Allow me a few observations please. Excuse also my Inglish

La Grande Differencia Between Señor John Kerry and Señor Jorge Bush Junior

En this campaigno presidentiale, there is un muy grande differencia between los dos candidates: Señor John Kerry and Señor Jorge Bush Junior, el greatest presidente en la historia de los United States.

La differencia es muy profoundo. For examplo, Señor Kerry attendido la universidad de Yale en los mid-1960s, whereas Señor Bush attendido this universidad en los late-1960s.

El net wortho de Señor Kerry is 800 million dollares, whereas el net wortho de Señor Bush is un meagero 15 million dollares.

However, la most importante differencia between los dos candidates es la issue de courago. And el simplo facto es that Señor Jorge Bush Junior is mucho more courageouso que Señor John Kerry.

During La Guerra de Vietnam, quando his country asked him to servear, Señor Jorge Bush Junior had el courago not to joinar el Army americano and later destroyar his recordos militarios.

On el other hando, unlike Señor Bush, Señor Kerry tookar el patho uncourageouso and wonar tres heartos purples during La Guerra de Vietnam.

Even today, muchos yearos after La Guerra de Vietnam Señor Bush still has el courago to sendar los sonos and las daughteras of otros peoples to fightar en los waros americanos.

La choica is cleara. Our countrio needs Señor Jorge Bush Junior.

Thank you - Oldie

ahhhh...si

i lika to logico....es contra all del serio aca, y maka me laugha mucho

[4steve44]

John Kerry of Massachusetts, with a net worth of at least $164 million;
http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/candi...cid=1&act=pfin
President George W. Bush has at most a net worh of $21 million. These are the indisputable facts. No president ever has had the ability to reign in the drug companies. Congress does!

[Davey7549]

OK MrSatire.....
What do your suggest be done in support of lowering drug costs? You seem to have all the fingers pointing but no solutions to back up the allegations and help solve the problem!
Lets exclude the Government, our tax dollars paying a big chunk of the cost since we would have the Government supporting the drug companies then! What is left that you are suggesting is a solution?
We all know the Drug Companies are gouging Americans and exporting the same drug at lower costs so how do you propose to stop that?

Dave

[4steve44]

Originally Posted by MrSatire

Let me see.
How many sources do you want?
ABC
CBS
NBC
PBS
CNN
60 minutes has done the best job so far.
This is the typical Republicain ploy when faced with a hard issue.
Yell "Propaganda" then run away from the issue.
Sorry, it doesn't work on this issue.
Too many main stream sources are cited.
The original links are valid and a simple google search produces thousands more.
Tell me,
How many seniors have died because they couldn't afford a prescription?

What do you expect from the FAR LEFT mainstream media?

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Davey7549

Nor am I going to respond to ridiculous claims that Bush is responsible for this dilemma! Kerry is all talk and little possible go on this cause! What do you expect Bush to do? Jump in and regulate the Drug Companies? Mandate Price controls? Oh... probably subsidize full cost of prescription drugs!
This is not a Government matter it is a consumer matter that needs correcting by purchase elsewhere as many states are suggesting and elderly are doing! The drug companies can only go so far in restricting supply before their bottom line is hit or when some other drug company comes in and prices down a similar product.
Price fixing and price rollbacks do not work! It is only Carterizing the situation and not allowing the free market control the costs.
As long as other options, Canadian, European, and Mexican sources are available and people use them the drug companies will be forced to reconsider their price gouging ways!
So far I have not seen much in the way of federal resistance to the out of country buying trend and that is at it should be!

Dave

Virtually every other country gets a break on Rx prices. Bush leaves us to pay for all the discounts that the companies give everyone else.
Can you tell me why that is fair?

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by 4steve44

What do you expect from the FAR LEFT mainstream media?

ROFLMFAO!

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Davey7549

OK MrSatire.....
What do your suggest be done in support of lowering drug costs? You seem to have all the fingers pointing but no solutions to back up the allegations and help solve the problem!
Lets exclude the Government, our tax dollars paying a big chunk of the cost since we would have the Government supporting the drug companies then! What is left that you are suggesting is a solution?
We all know the Drug Companies are gouging Americans and exporting the same drug at lower costs so how do you propose to stop that?

Dave

Let us buy from Canada. After all doesn't NAFTA stand for North American Free Trade Act?