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11-Sep-2004, 05:28 PM #1
Thumbs up The Most Important Reason to Re-Elect Our President!
******Note--edited out photos of 9/11 and introductory three sentences*****

In deciding to vote for are President, are you going to listen to the anti-Bu****es here, who's goal in bashing Bush is to further their own political agendas or are you going to listen to people that really got to know and appreciate what a real leader is?

As you all know, the "leaders" of the national unions always support Democrats (I won't even get into that fiasco--not relevant here), yet the rank and file firefighters and the unions of New York overwhelmingly support Bush. That is because these brave men and womean know what a true leader is and they experienced first hand the courage and bravery of our President. So don't listen to me or the other pro-Bushers here and certainly do not listen to the whining anti-Bu****es. Listen to the people who are most likely to know the real George Bush--the brave men and women that were at the forefront of the 9/11 disaster:

http://www.firefightersforbush.com/

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Anthony P. Varriale, Captain, FDNY
I am a New York City Fire Capt.in charge of an Engine Co.
I can tell you that 95% of the firefighters and officers of my company and the ladder and battalion companies assigned to our quarters are in full support of President Bush. We lost 11 men on 9/11/01.

The greatest insult to our members was when the International president Schaitberger univited President Bush to the one year anniversery of 9/11/01, held at Madison Square Garden.

This was done by Shaitberger for his own politcal gains. This act would be similar to politicians not inviting Lincoln to Gettysburg for the dedication of the national cemetery!

When I see Kerry surrounded by members with their yellow signs, I know who is exploiting 9/11/01. It is Kerry! Let's get the word out that most firefighters support our President and let us do whatever we can to have President Bush reelected.
http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=3417

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The Uniformed Firefighters Association of Greater New York Endorses President George W. Bush

ARLINGTON, VA - The Uniformed Firefighters Association of Greater New York, which represents 20,000 active and retired firefighters, yesterday endorsed President George W. Bush's reelection as President of the United States.

In a letter of endorsement to President Bush yesterday, Uniformed Firefighters Association of Greater New York President Stephen J. Cassidy said, "There are many issues in which we share common ground. During the attack on our nation on September 11, 2001, your leadership and compassion sustained us during our darkest hour.

"Your post September 11th policies have strengthened our nation by taking the war to the terrorists. Additionally your overall record of achievement and support for firefighters proves that your have earned another four years leading this great nation.”

Cassidy committed his organization's support in reelecting the President in November. "Our 20,000 members are ready to stand by you and support you during your bid for re-election. Call on us and we will be there. This nation needs your leadership to continue to protect us both at home and abroad,” he said.

President Bush has dramatically increased funding for state and local law enforcement. In 2005, the President called for an additional $3.6 billion in first-responder grants and assistance, which represents a $3.1 billion increase - almost 700 percent - in funding over the previous administration. Funding for firefighters in the President's last budget represents a 400 percent increase over 2001 funding levels.

The Uniformed Firemen's Association (UFA) was formed in 1917 to represent their members and protect their rights and they are still serving that mission today. The Uniformed Firefighters Association of Greater New York Endorses President George W. Bush
Obviously, it can be said that all of us here posting in CivDeb have our political agendas, abliet most not as despicable as that scumbag union thug leader Schaitberger, who had the gall to uninvite our President to a 9/11 commemoration even though the vast majority of the firefighters supported and wanted him. But the brave men and women of New York have no political agenda--infact, for selfish reasons, they would support Kerry like Schaitberger--they saw our President in action and they have not forgotten. We should not forget either!
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11-Sep-2004, 06:28 PM #3
Hmm didn't Condi Rice say something about 15 or so pre 9/11 warnings about Islamic terrorist setting up something big in the good Ole US or A involving commercial Airplanes? Weren’t there?

Oh yes I remember Condi said it was merely "Historical"! It really wasn't her and George’s fault now was it! Richard Clark apologized for 9/11 but Rice and Bush NEVER did!

This kind of 9/11 flag draping is one of the things that turned me AGAINST Bush! Instead "I am sorry" it will not happen again, he uses 9/11 for every bit of political gain he can muster! So says a "Bunch" of the 9/11 families don't they?

Why did the Republicans tone down their 9/11 displays during the Convention? Afraid all this 9/11 flag draping will blow up on them! George get OFF the Flag! Get onto the issue’s! Please don’t tell me that George will protect us! He failed last time didn’t he! Once a failure always a failure!

I used to go to lunch with my mother and watch the Twin Towers being built! I cried that day (9/11) the first time since my mother died! Mulder for you and your kind to steal that image for your own political gains makes me sick and I think it is the lowest thing I have seen in quite a while! Probably since 9/11 itself!

Please kill this thread!
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11-Sep-2004, 06:47 PM #5
Very good Mulder!!. You should have a job with the RNC.
Your Republican advertisement is moving, but twists things just a bit, don't you think?.
What happened on 9-11 was a long time coming. It was ignored by Democratic leaders ,and Repulican alike. Nobody really tried to assess the problem , or took it seriously enough. It was a series of events that slowly unfolded over many years, and in hindsight---predictable results occured.
ALL of our Presidents failed to understand or we would have been prepared.
I know Mr Bush is blamed, but so is Mr Clinton, depending on whether you are a Demo or a Repub. In reality, it goes back much further, and is more complex than your sales pitch implies.
Is Mr Bush going to deal with problem? ---the cause? that is the major question.
The same goes for Mr Kerry. I have yet to hear any serious talk of the causes of this conflict by either man.
World domination is out of the question {in my opinion} so the Neo-Con will never get my vote.
You did a good a job with this posting however!!!!! You are very persuasive! My best!>f
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I was trying to be nice--LOL!!! , but well said stoner!!
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11-Sep-2004, 07:16 PM #8
For any one that hasn't seen goat boy sit on his @ss and ignore a national catastrophy or has forgotten how little compassion he actually has view the following video. Be quick to see the begining. Andrew Card walks over to tell Bush that a second plane has struck the Twin Towers.

Totaly oblivious to the situation........


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Well I know you joke around a lot Mulder but this is over the line and is down right disgusting! It borders on being down right unpatriotic. To use FEAR as a tool to scare people into voting (for one person or another) is really low and VERY offensive. Cheney would be proud of you

9/11 is an AMERICAN issue, and the last time I looked the republicans didn't have a patient on the country. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes both sides MORE polarized, instead of giving us a chance to work together! It was not republicans and democrats that died on that day, it was AMERICANS!!! I can't believe you posted this thread. You should be ashamed of yourself

I second the motion to get rid of this highly offensive thread.
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Well I know you joke around a lot Mulder but this is over the line and is down right disgusting! It borders on being down right unpatriotic. To use FEAR as a tool to scare people into voting (for one person or another) is really low and VERY offensive. Cheney would be proud of you

9/11 is an AMERICAN issue, and the last time I looked the republicans didn't have a patient on the country. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes both sides MORE polarized, instead of giving us a chance to work together! It was not republicans and democrats that died on that day, it was AMERICANS!!! I can't believe you posted this thread. You should be ashamed of yourself

I second the motion to get rid of this highly offensive thread.
Hello Chicken. I agree with your post almost completely, it is typical of Neo-con work.
However , I disagree with you about removing this thread. Mr Mulder has his opinion, agenda, and everyone else theirs!
He has every right to post his views, even if they might offend.
Don't get me wrong, I am a socialist, not popular with some here, but have never been silenced.
His {Mulder} might be silly or wrong, but to remove this thread would be "unpatriotic" ---I would think.
Words and ideas are just that, and sometimes Neo_cons can {in my case} reinforce my convictions. Maybe others , when exposed to this kind of advertising will feel the same.
Much of what is happening today is "offensive" but lets not let that be used to silence anyone---thats what this nation, and this forum , is about {I hope}
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This should shed some light on why I wouldn't vote for Mr. Bush.

War stories, from those who know
Two veterans back from Iraq create a Web site so soldiers can share their experiences directly with the American public.
By SUSAN ASCHOFF, Times Staff Writer
Published September 11, 2004

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[Photo courtesy of Paul Rieckhoff]
Paul Rieckhoff is an investment banker on Wall Street who is taking a year off to build Operation Truth. In this May 2003 photo, the Baghdad skyline and Tigris River are behind the lieutenant.
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[Photo courtesy of David Chasteen]
Army Capt. David Chasteen, one of the founders of the new Operation Truth Web site, travels in a convoy to Baghdad in March 2003.
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Every soldier has a story.

Infantry platoon leader Paul Rieckhoff volunteered for Iraq and sped across the desert to Baghdad in March 2003 with the 3rd Infantry Division.

He has stories. He can tell how he kicked down doors in raids and helped keep order in gas station lines. How it feels to be squatting over a latrine when the power cuts out. Again.

Army Capt. David Chasteen also arrived in Iraq with the invasion. A chemical and biological war specialist, his job was to analyze the potential threat from chemical weapons and train troops how to respond.

One of his stories is about another kind of weapon. His unit used cluster bombs, a missile that disburses hundreds of "bomblets," many of which fail to explode upon impact. The bomblets are the size of baseballs, shiny, with brightly colored tassels. He tells how his commander's face "went white" when he heard about Iraqi children losing limbs, and their lives, playing with the unexploded bombs. "His first child was born while we were in Iraq." The soldiers worked with clerics to paste posters warning of the danger.

When Rieckhoff and Chasteen returned home, they were surprised by how few soldiers were telling stories. No one was talking about the war - not about what it is like on the ground. There was more media coverage of Sen. John Kerry's swiftboat than Najaf.

So for a war in which many soldiers pack laptops, they launched a Web site on Aug. 24 called Operation Truth at www.optruth.org It invites soldiers to post stories and photographs, questions and complaints. Operation Truth is nonprofit and nonpartisan, its founders say. Its arrival during a presidential election will undoubtedly make it political, they agree.

"We want to see candidates address issues important to vets. We're not just going to take scraps from the political table," says Rieckhoff, 29, a former Army lieutenant and National Guardsman.

"I think most of the American public is shut out right now. You've seen a dramatic pullback of press in Iraq, and those that are left don't leave the compounds," he says.

"The only ones who know are the ones who were there."

One posting on the Web site is from a soldier bored with guard duty in a tower in Mosul. Multiple gunshots ring out, and he worries about an attack until he learns that elated Iraqis are firing into the air because their Olympic soccer team is up 1-0.

Another writes of being one of the few soldiers equipped with body armor when his company landed in May 2003. His mother, an elementary school art teacher, shipped the bulletproof ceramic plates from the United States.

Several attempt to discern friend from foe, finding them one and the same:

Today we drove around somewhere to do something. All of us in the back of the vehicle brought a book to read during this ride. I brought George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia. Our combat medic brought a thick-a- book called the History of Western Philosophy and the other two brought a George Carlin book and a paperback vampire ghosts and goblins Anne Rice novel. . . . We were driving around slowly (in Mosul). And we were being followed by literally hundreds of little kids, they were hooting and hollering, clapping and saying stuff in Arabic. My AG (adjutant general) looks over at me and says, "Watch this." And then he starts chanting: "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!". . . . All these little kids started chanting U-S-A. Over and over again, each time a little louder. We were both laughing until I saw the reaction on the older people's faces. They didn't look too thrilled about that. I said, "Dude, that's not cool! Make them stop yelling that s--!" But it was too late. Next thing you know I saw an older lady wearing all black pick up a rock and throw it at us, which of course started a huge chain reaction of rock throwing. We got out of that neighborhood in a hurry after that. Lesson learned.

- CBFTW, who is stationed in Iraq

Rieckhoff enlisted in 1998 after college. He works in investment banking. He is taking a year off from Wall Street and using his own credit card to build Operation Truth. He has $5,000 seed money from a veterans group, loyal volunteers and an advisory board that includes former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura.

He wants the presidential campaigns to drop the "pointless debate and posturing" about Vietnam and Purple Hearts and give their full attention to men and women in uniform today.

"I'd love for people to be talking about the VA closings, lack of funding for National Guard and reserves," he says.

During his year in Iraq, Rieckhoff and the three dozen soldiers assigned to his platoon repaired damaged school buildings but patrolled streets so littered with debris an explosive could hide anywhere, a "360-degree threat environment."

"Everybody who crosses the border is at risk, whether you're a cook or a truck driver or a medic."

My squad was called to a suspected IED (Improvised Explosive Device) that was spanning a bridge near the mosque that we called "the evil mosque." Turned out it was just some wires that were tied into the street lights so the Iraqi family or families could get electricity into their home. So we continued our patrol. The traffic was backed up due to four lanes turning to two lanes. We were stuck - like rush hour in NYC. People were looking at us and kids were waving. . . . A bomb went off in front of my M998. Blood sprayed my goggles and Kevlar helmet. At first I thought that my driver was hit and checked to see. To my surprise it was MY OWN blood! . . . Later, the guys from my squad said they had to hit two Iraqi vendor stands to get us back to our battalion compound.

- Spec. Zach Petersen, National Guard

The public needs to appreciate the price of war, says Chasteen, 26. "It's expensive in human capital and the pain suffered by Americans and by the Iraqis."

Chasteen, who is from Muncie, Ind., and lives in Washington, D.C., finished his Army service in May. He works as a financial adviser. He is a registered Republican who voted for Bush. He comes from a family of soldiers: His dad was in the Marines and his mother, a nurse, just volunteered for deployment with the Air Force Reserves.

He says he felt betrayed by the politics of the war before the invasion began.

"I saw the intelligence and all the analysis. I saw that Iraq almost certainly had some kind of WMD, probably chemical, but that they were not a threat to the United States," he says. "It was very frustrating for me to sit there with that knowledge, knowing some of us weren't coming back."

Chasteen was in Iraq almost six months.

"We were so sick of sand."

Some soldiers contend the troops should pull out because the Iraqi people are ungrateful, Chasteen says. Soldiers who've been there know better. There are many Iraqis who support the war but are "very, very frustrated" by the chaos and powerlessness of their lives.

He talks about the kids and the cluster bombs. "We care about those kids - there's a lot of fathers in the Army. Despite the very best that you do, you still kill thousands of people. It's war."

Some who post stories on the Web site say they want their experiences to help the public and elected officials make good decisions about this war, and wars in the future.

(I) am currently serving in Iraq for the third time. I was chosen from my unit in March of '03 as a casualty replacement. I was attached to 3rd Infantry three days before the ground war started. I went home . . . around July 7th and then on July 26th was alerted to go to Iraq for a year. On Sept. 10th we left for Iraq. About 30 days later I was sent home. I was home for almost three months when I was informed, about 20 days before my terminal leave date, that stop-loss was in effect and I was going to have to go back to Iraq. I have been here since the end of January. I am not . . . trying to undermine my chain of command. I am just telling my story.

- Spec. Hannegan

Stop-loss, instituted by the Pentagon during the war, prevents soldiers from leaving the service when their enlistment period ends and often means a return trip to the Middle East.

Many Iraqi vets are still on active duty.

"That's a lot of the reason the conversation is quiet," Chasteen says.

"We're trying to get active duty guys involved: Don't blast the administration, just tell what's going on on the ground."

This is from a letter I wrote to my girlfriend, spring of 2003. Today we are in a new camp . . . a huge motor-pool type compound sandwiched between a festering ship port and a looming oil refinery. The British have nicknamed it "Camp Cancer" due to all the chemicals that are saturating the air around us. Dozens and dozens of tanks, Bradleys, fuel trucks, ambulances, all shifting and shuffling on a putrid swath of desert. 110 degrees today. My guys are basically bodyguards for some really expensive missile systems. We are the only infantry unit around here. . . . They are timid around us - we lurk, growl, scratch and snort, like only grunts do. Miss you intensely. Hope you are finding beauty every day - I will promise you that I'll do the same here.

- Blue6

"The one thing people have to understand is that soldiers are doing their job. It's up to politicians to decide when and where, and the soldiers will do their job," says Rieckhoff.

"Their job is to get each other home alive."

But already many who have served say this war is like the one in Vietnam: an elusive enemy and an ill-defined goal, a public distanced from the hardships.

"I feel like a year from now," Chasteen says, "I'm going to be telling people I was in Iraq, and they're going to say, "What's that?'

"You know. The war."

- Susan Aschoff can be reached at 727 892-2293 or aschoff@sptimes.com

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NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN





The Book of Slaughter and Forgetting:

"...I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true -- but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not." --Ronald Reagan, 4 March 1987

By Carl Eastabrook

09/3/04 "CounterPunch" -- There is a germ of truth in the malign fatuity Ronald Reagan (chief magistrate of the United States, 1981-1989) offered to explain the great crisis of his presidency, which should have resulted in his impeachment. (It was probably written for him by Peggy Noonan, who developed a nice line in maudlin propaganda.) In the gap between what one knows to be the case and what one chooses to believe, a multitude of sins and crimes can be covered over.

Although memory is an essential part of the actor's armory, Reagan had developed his ability to forget into an art, even before he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. What he remembered was what he (or rather his handlers) chose to remember, whether factual or not.

In 1985 and 1986 the Reagan administration secretly sold more than a hundred tons of anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles to the government of Iran in order to provide money for the Contras, a mercenary army attacking the government and people of Nicaragua, support for which Congress eventually banned. The US military advised its Contra hirelings to attack "soft targets," with horrific results. An eyewitness to a Contra raid in Jinotega province said,

"Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken, their testicles cut off and their eyes poked out. They were killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit."

These acts were repeated throughout Nicaragua (one of the instigators being the present US ambassador to Iraq), by people whom Reagan compared to the Founding Fathers. But when the Tower Commission began looking into the selling of arms to Iran, Reagan was asked about his conflicting testimony on those sales. He referred to the notes that his handlers provided and read out in a clear voice, "If the question comes up at the Tower Board meeting, you might want to say that you were surprised"!

NATIONAL ALZHEIMER'S

Reagan's more fantastic lies -- such as his assertion to the Israeli prime minister that he had been present at the liberation of a German concentration camp -- may have signaled his own case of Alzheimer's, but much more serious is what Studs Terkel has called "national Alzheimer's Disease" -- the forgetting of our country's recent history, and particularly the crimes for which we, as citizens of an ostensibly democratic polity, are all responsible.

It is this national Alzheimer's that the propagandists for US administrations can rely on to put across even obvious frauds like Reagan. Of course it is not a medical condition of the US electorate, but it also cannot be ascribed to the stupidity of the majority of the population, as many self-styled liberals seem to do. People are not fools, but when well over a thousand billion dollars is spent every year to convince Americans what they should think and how they should live ("marketing"), it is bound to have an effect.

So we forget (with the intense encouragement of the media and government) that in Reagan's so-called electoral landslides of 1980 and 1984, three-quarters of the eligible voters did not vote for him. Polls in both years showed that Americans strongly rejected his policies. By the time he and his successor and continuator left office, when the effects of their domestic programs were apparent, Reagan was tied with Nixon as the least popular ex-president.

FORGETTING REAGAN

Ronald Reagan's funeral was a carefully scripted propaganda-fest organized by the Bush administration -- nothing like it had been seen in Washington for forty years, since the assassination of John Kennedy. The actual script was a 300-page book; the slavish media coverage was, in Alex Cockburn's phrase, "an electronic Nuremberg rally." But strangely omitted was not only the fact that Reagan was capable of intentional ignorance but also that he was a mass murderer. A more fitting eulogy for him was pronounced by Fr. Miguel d'Escoto, former foreign minister of Nicaragua:

"...I pray that God in his infinite mercy and goodness forgive him for having been the butcher of my people, for having been responsible for the deaths of some 50,000 Nicaraguans. We cannot, we should not ever forget the crimes he committed in the name of what he falsely labeled freedom and democracy. More perhaps than any other US. President, Reagan convinced many around the world that the U.S. is a fraud, a big lie. Not only was it not democratic, but in fact the greatest enemy of the right of self-determination of peoples. Reagan ... was known as the great communicator, and I believe that that is true only if one believes that to be a great communicator means to be a good liar..."

We have forgotten among other things, in these days of the Christian Right, that the Reagan wars against the people of Central America were wars against the church, and that they were already underway during the presidency of that good Christian, Jimmy Carter. The decade began with the murder of an archbishop at the altar by a CIA-backed death-squad and ended with the murder of six Jesuit intellectuals and the rape and murder of their staff at the University of Central America by soldiers led by graduates from America's notorious School of the Americas. The organized resistance to the murder of hundreds of thousands under the direction of the US came from the Catholic church in Central America and from Protestant churches in North America that organized support and accompaniment programs. The killing of Archbishop Romero (March 24, 1980) and the murders of the Jesuits (November 16, 1989) were not accidents but policy.

Noam Chomsky asks whether we would have forgotten so easily, had in 1980's Czechoslovakia a popular archbishop been murdered in church by Russian agents, more than 70,000 Czechs slaughtered by Soviet-sponsored death-squads, and Vaclav Havel and a half-dozen associates in the "Velvet Revolution" had their brains cut out by Russian-trained and directed soldiers?

THE EVIL LIVES AFTER

"Eight years, eight dreary, miserable mind-numbing years, the years of the age of Reagan," wrote the late conservative commentator Murray Rothbard in 1989. He was however wrong in what he saw as a "glimmer of hope" -- "that Reaganism might not survive much beyond Reagan." In fact of course Reaganism lives on, even more fanatically, in the current administration -- not only the same ideas but the same people. Those running the "war on terrorism" now, once announced "war on terrorism" as the theme of the Reagan administration's foreign policy, in contrast to Carter's "human rights" (itself a lie).

Reversing the traditional order, the farce of Grenada was a prelude to the tragedy of Iraq: in each case a defenseless country is attacked in part because, as Neocon Michael Ledeen put it last year, "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business." And yet most Americans have already been encouraged to forget (if they ever knew) that George Bush's invasion of Iraq may have killed more than fifty thousand Iraqis, in addition to a thousand American troops. (Clinton of course killed more --- hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, many of them children, died from a decade of sanctions.)

The splendid Reaganite invasion of Grenada should have alerted us to the ineptitude of the Reagan-Bush military. Clinton's reluctance to use US troops on the ground in his attack on Serbia (falsely described as "humanitarian") -- leaving the work to air power and NATO -- in retrospect looks like a canny avoidance of the arrogant incompetence of the occupation of Iraq. Clinton preferred air attacks -- such as that on a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, now forgotten, which resulted in the deaths of thousands, as Chomsky pointed out.

In G. W. Bush's administration, new Neocon is but old Reaganite writ large, and they fear the same enemy: the American public. When the US populace comes to understand what is being done in their name, they are appalled, so they must be distracted, somehow. For example, an on-going poll by the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations showed that seventy per cent of Americans who lived through the Vietnam War agreed that "the war was not a mistake, it was fundamentally wrong and immoral." More than a generation of US propaganda, Republican and Democrat , was employed vigorously to attack this view, held by large majority of Americans, under the name of the "Vietnam syndrome."

Representatives of America's Israeli client were particularly concerned that such popular revulsion would lead to criticism of Israel's decades-long occupation, with all its brutality and racism. One of the Neocons' first appearances in the 1990s was as advisers to politicians to the right of Israel's war-criminal prime minister, Ariel Sharon.

SOURCES AND METHODS

A nation founded on two of the greatest crimes in human history, the destruction of native Americans and the enslavement of native Africans, has a lot to forget. The effect of many interconnected political movement in late twentieth-century America was to combat the intentional forgetting of these crimes, and many of these movements took their rise out of the opposition to US attacks on southeast and southwest Asia.

The result of the forced remembering is a nation in many ways far more civilized today than it was in the mid-twentieth century, as Chomsky points out. The US executive could then carry on a savage war against the people of South Vietnam -- for the crime of not accepting the government that we had picked out for them -- for years before there was the slightest protest in the US. In contrast, some of the largest anti-war protests in history, at home and abroad, occurred before the US launched its latest attack on Iraq.

The great crimes have been recalled, and others (so common half a century ago as not to be noticed as crimes, such as racism, sexism, abortion, euthanasia, and capital punishment) are the objects of attention. Of course this consciousness rose even as American administrations (both Democrat and Republican) seemed ever more willing to risk the very survival of the human race for their own demands for hegemony in the world. The US government under either party continues to be what M. L. King perceptively called it thirty-five years ago, "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today."

RETURN OF THE REPRESSED

Instead of the wholesale and retail war-criminals whom the official political parties have thrown up for our consideration this November, the US polity needs public figures who reject the intentional ignorance required by the big business backers of American politics. They must say, like Hamlet's friend Horatio,

...let me speak to the yet unknowing world
How these things came about: so shall you hear
Of carnal, bloody, and unnatural acts,
Of accidental judgments, casual slaughters,
Of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause,
And, in this upshot, purposes mistook
Fall'n on the inventors' reads: all this can I
Truly deliver.

And they can, too.

All of this suggests that at least part of the role of the political leader in the US today should be like that of a traditional psychoanalyst, attempting to uncover the patient's forgotten history. In the case of the country, the analysis will be finally a narrative of class -- and that is to say a narrative of crime.

And of course we might expect that -- in politics as in therapy -- if this unearthing is done well, its agent may become the focus of quite irrational hatred as well as excessive love -- rather like Ralph Nader.

Carl Estabrook is a Visiting Scholar University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and a CounterPunch columnist. He can be reached at: galliher@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu


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11-Sep-2004, 09:28 PM #13
I think the fact that Al Queda aka Taliban is making a comeback in Afghanistan and that Iraq is in a state of chaos (U.S. Military says that we have lost several towns to the insurgents) would be reason enough to get rid of Bush. We are in more danger now then we were before 9/11 thanks to some incredibly stupid foreign policy decisions.

Beyond that, according to Senator Phil Graham--Bush was protecting the Saudis and that's why 9/11 occurred.
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Well I know you joke around a lot Mulder but this is over the line and is down right disgusting! It borders on being down right unpatriotic. To use FEAR as a tool to scare people into voting (for one person or another) is really low and VERY offensive. Cheney would be proud of you

9/11 is an AMERICAN issue, and the last time I looked the republicans didn't have a patient on the country. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes both sides MORE polarized, instead of giving us a chance to work together! It was not republicans and democrats that died on that day, it was AMERICANS!!! I can't believe you posted this thread. You should be ashamed of yourself

I second the motion to get rid of this highly offensive thread.


I saw nothing offensive about this thread. Today is 9/11 Its a good day to see those pics and remember how we all felt that day. I was proud of how Bush handled it. I could care less if he didnt jump up and run our the door after he heard the towers were hit. He stood a strong stand afterwards and I think he did a good job. He is a man who cares, imo. I dont believe it was an act for the cameras...he hurt for those who were killed just as much if not more than many of us. He is not the one culpable. This outrage should be aimed at the terrorists, imo!
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ML, How about the most important reason. I hate John Kerry. Pukeface without a chance.
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