[joneq]

I live in South east NYstate. and I have some issues with the town I live in and would like a little feedback from you all.

The question is this. Do families who choose to move to your town have the right to bring their sisters, cousins, nephews, neices, aunts and uncles and all the offspring that they have created in the form of children and move them all into a single family house and just pay one tax for town and one tax for school as all normal residences do. Normal meaning mom +dad and their biological children. The issue of if they should pay more tax and if they should be allowed to move in in the first place with all the extra people are really two issues.

Around here houses go for around $500,000-$600,000 easy for just a normal 4 bedroom. These houses were worth $350,000 a few years ago, I believe that many of these people are selling their houses and taking their 1 time exemption and pocketing the profits. Then moving into 1 house and sharing the property and school taxes between them. Even if this scenario is wrong and all these people come from some other situation is really a non-issue. The fact is they are here

We just received our tax bill for the upcoming school year and it was for $4400 dollars. We have no kids in school. The house next door has a minimum of probably 12 kids, and growing, from who knows how many different families. I have never really been able to determine exactly how many people live there, there are sooooo many By the way they all collectively pay the same as we do.

The cost to educate 1 kid is approaching $15,000 per school year. You can do the math. Our quality of life has been distroyed. Kids screaming and yelling all the time. Laundry hanging out for all to see. House in disrepair. Parties most weekends, after they do their weekly landscaping on Saturday Noise ,Noise, Noise. cars, cars, cars.

Please weigh in on this I would really like to here what you have to say.

[Mulder_Lite]

Originally Posted by joneq

I live in South east NYstate. and I have some issues with the town I live in and would like a little feedback from you all.

The question is this. Do families who choose to move to your town have the right to bring their sisters, cousins, nephews, neices, aunts and uncles and all the offspring that they have created in the form of children and move them all into a single family house and just pay one tax for town and one tax for school as all normal residences do. Normal meaning mom +dad and their biological children. The issue of if they should pay more tax and if they should be allowed to move in in the first place with all the extra people are really two issues.

Around here houses go for around $500,000-$600,000 easy for just a normal 4 bedroom. These houses were worth $350,000 a few years ago, I believe that many of these people are selling their houses and taking their 1 time exemption and pocketing the profits. Then moving into 1 house and sharing the property and school taxes between them. Even if this scenario is wrong and all these people come from some other situation is really a non-issue. The fact is they are here

We just received our tax bill for the upcoming school year and it was for $4400 dollars. We have no kids in school. The house next door has a minimum of probably 12 kids, and growing, from who knows how many different families. I have never really been able to determine exactly how many people live there, there are sooooo many By the way they all collectively pay the same as we do.

The cost to educate 1 kid is approaching $15,000 per school year. You can do the math. Our quality of life has been distroyed. Kids screaming and yelling all the time. Laundry hanging out for all to see. House in disrepair. Parties most weekends, after they do their weekly landscaping on Saturday Noise ,Noise, Noise. cars, cars, cars.

Please weigh in on this I would really like to here what you have to say.

To answer you question, property tax is suppossed to account for the costs to government of maintaining and protecting the surrounding areas, not educating children--that should be coming out of income tax. Although as a practical matter, the distinctions get blurred. But educating children benefits all of us, obviously, so I would not be concerned with that. Move to a "red" state and you will have much less of those types of problems.

[GoneForNow]

Actually, on the east coast most of the property tax goes to public school education.

[joneq]

I would like to clarify. I don't think I should have to move anywhere. And I have no problem with anyone[family] moving here either

These families move here for the school system. They want the best education for their kids BUT they don't want to pay for it.Let's forget about the property taxes and concentrate on the real issue which is the quantity of adults and kids that are squeezed into the house for the explicit purpose of avoiding taxes.The issue of the school tax they don't pay is definitely a concern for me. Maybe I wasn't clear. The $4,400 was JUST the school tax. The property tax is about $3,700. Which they all share to.The responsibility to educate is everybodies but none more than the parents

[joneq]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

Actually, on the east coast most of the property tax goes to public school education.

None of my property taxes go to education. Please understand my property taxes are a seperate item $3700.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by joneq

None of my property taxes go to education. Please understand my property taxes are a seperate item $3700.

Better check your local government budget. You'll see that the bulk of it does.

[joneq]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

Better check your local government budget. You'll see that the bulk of it does.

Let's get past this My total tax is divided into 2 bills Completely totally seperate. The total bill for all taxes is $8100. The portion for school is $4400 the part for roads , cops and county govt is $3700. Two completely totally different animals. These taxes are paid seperately and at different times. Once again let me be clear.The $4400 does not go for anythjing but schools.

[GoneForNow]

Originally Posted by joneq

Let's get past this My total tax is divided into 2 bills Completely totally seperate. The total bill for all taxes is $8100. The portion for school is $4400 the part for roads , cops and county govt is $3700. Two completely totally different animals. These taxes are paid seperately and at different times. Once again let me be clear.The $4400 does not go for anythjing but schools.

Makes sense now. As I stated most of the tax goes to schools. In your case they have broken it down: $3700=local government, $4400=schools.

[Mulder_Lite]

Originally Posted by gbrumb

Actually, on the east coast most of the property tax goes to public school education.

I understand and it does here too. My point is that property tax originally was designed to pay for firefighter, police, trash, etc, all the government functions that take care of property. But now a lot of it goes to public schools. "General" taxes, like income tax is suppossed to go to things like education, that benefits the entire state whereas specific taxes are suppossed to go specifically to the pay for the benefit being taxed. But it has become completely blurred.

[Mulder_Lite]

Originally Posted by joneq

Let's get past this My total tax is divided into 2 bills Completely totally seperate. The total bill for all taxes is $8100. The portion for school is $4400 the part for roads , cops and county govt is $3700. Two completely totally different animals. These taxes are paid seperately and at different times. Once again let me be clear.The $4400 does not go for anythjing but schools.

I understand your frustration. Property taxes should not be used to pay for public school education, IMO. This basically just another way to redistribute wealth.

[joneq]

But should people be allowed to avoid paying taxes by sharing the same house.

[plschwartz]

Originally Posted by joneq

I live in South east NYstate. and I have some issues with the town I live in and would like a little feedback from you all.

The question is this. Do families who choose to move to your town have the right to bring their sisters, cousins, nephews, neices, aunts and uncles and all the offspring that they have created in the form of children and move them all into a single family house and just pay one tax for town and one tax for school as all normal residences do. Normal meaning mom +dad and their biological children. The issue of if they should pay more tax and if they should be allowed to move in in the first place with all the extra people are really two issues.

Around here houses go for around $500,000-$600,000 easy for just a normal 4 bedroom. These houses were worth $350,000 a few years ago, I believe that many of these people are selling their houses and taking their 1 time exemption and pocketing the profits. Then moving into 1 house and sharing the property and school taxes between them. Even if this scenario is wrong and all these people come from some other situation is really a non-issue. The fact is they are here

We just received our tax bill for the upcoming school year and it was for $4400 dollars. We have no kids in school. The house next door has a minimum of probably 12 kids, and growing, from who knows how many different families. I have never really been able to determine exactly how many people live there, there are sooooo many By the way they all collectively pay the same as we do.

The cost to educate 1 kid is approaching $15,000 per school year. You can do the math. Our quality of life has been distroyed. Kids screaming and yelling all the time. Laundry hanging out for all to see. House in disrepair. Parties most weekends, after they do their weekly landscaping on Saturday Noise ,Noise, Noise. cars, cars, cars.

Please weigh in on this I would really like to here what you have to say.

In my community on long island we solve similar problems by having zoning restrictions on the number of persons living in a house based on # of bedrooms.
GB who claims he has constitutional knowledge can comment but I believe that all of this goes back to the "equal protection clause" of 14th Amendment.
NYS constitution also have I believe relavant sections.
You may/not know that this kind of crowding was prevalent, albeit in cities. Were your ancestors among them?
You will feel right at homwe with some others around here who call themselves christaians but put property rights before other persons.
From the sounds of your complaint are these neighbors immigrants? If so call INS if you are that disturbed

BTW are you so sure that the reason they live so crowded is to avoid taxes?
BBTW In NYS the state kicks in a decent % of school taxes. I do believe that along with the US tax , NYS tax lets you deduct your mortgage payments. People who rent don't get that tax break. So they, often poorer, without this deduction pay more then their faur shrae, while you less. Thus you in your state taxes an thus your state school subsidy are not paying your fair share either. If you told us more about you I bet we would find other ways you suck on the great tit in the sky.

[Mulder_Lite]

Originally Posted by joneq

But should people be allowed to avoid paying taxes by sharing the same house.

Well, many cities and communities have local ordinance to prevent more than "X" amount of people to share the same home for just this reason as well as social health reasons. In California, it is much more difficult to pile people into homes because the master planned communities have CC&Rs whereby they agree not to do that when they purchase the home.

As a practical matter, property tax has become a big source of revenue for state and local governments and that's not going to change--it has historically been used to supplement state income and sales tax and goes far beyond the cost of maintaining property. In California, we passed a Proposition to stop the taxes from being increased so dramatically. Don't feel bad--I paid over $12,000 in property taxes last year, a good percentage of that devoted to public schools!

[EdGreene]

Originally Posted by Mulder_Lite

I understand your frustration. Property taxes should not be used to pay for public school education, IMO. This basically just another way to redistribute wealth.

Follow along, Lawyer:

Pay taxes to properly educate children"

Formula:
Children get good educations,
Grow up,
Get good jobs,
Start paying lots of taxes primarily...
To educate the next batch of children;
Got it?

[joneq]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

In my community on long island we solve similar problems by having zoning restrictions on the number of persons living in a house based on # of bedrooms.
GB who claims he has constitutional knowledge can comment but I believe that all of this goes back to the "equal protection clause" of 14th Amendment.
NYS constitution also have I believe relavant sections.
You may/not know that this kind of crowding was prevalent, albeit in cities. Were your ancestors among them?
You will feel right at homwe with some others around here who call themselves christaians but put property rights before other persons.
From the sounds of your complaint are these neighbors immigrants? If so call INS if you are that disturbed

I would be interested in finding out how many people your zoning would permit in a 4 bedroom. And if they have to be related and how closely. How do they justify it. I say find a 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 family house and move in