The New Soldier

Sunmune · 14-Oct-2004, 07:47 PM #1

Not sure if anyone posted this before...but here's the link to John Kerry's "The New Soldier". You can read the whole thing online for free.

http://www.johnkerrythenewsoldier.blogspot.com/

I tried to find a more liberal site with this book. The only one I found was www.independantvotersforkerry.com or org. can't remember but it doesn't let you read it.

Or you could just buy it on Ebay for a few hundred bucks.

Sunmune · 14-Oct-2004, 07:49 PM #2

Sorry, got that address wrong for the independents:

www.independentsforkerry.org/ uploads/media/the-new-soldier.html

linskyjack · 14-Oct-2004, 08:16 PM #3

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Originally Posted by Sunmune

Sorry, got that address wrong for the independents:

www.independentsforkerry.org/ uploads/media/the-new-soldier.html

Sunmune--read the book and you might learn something about Vietnam---the real Vietnam, not the version now being peddled by the right wing of the Republican party.

Sunmune · 14-Oct-2004, 08:20 PM #4

Oh here we go again.

I am reading it and I find Kerry's terminology and phraising of our military/country disturbing. I wonder what his outlook would have been if he was a POW. Or fought(rode on the boat) more then 4 months.

Mulderator · 14-Oct-2004, 09:14 PM #5

From the link. This story actually dovetails with mine regarding the fact that Kerry is an anti-war liberal trying to run as a conservative hawk because that's what he thinks most of America wants him to be--he is the great political chamelion:

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John Kerry stated on NBC's "Meet The Press" on 18 April 1971:

"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones."(According to Kerry: zones where all men, women and children, who were in that specific zone had to be shot) "I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."

John Kerry isn't hated, because he was against the war. Vietnam Veterans hate John Kerry, because he defamed them, insulted them, called them warcriminals, rapists and baby killers. They hate him, because he successfully managed to make Americans believe his lies and managed to make America ashamed of the servicemen, who fought in Vietnam.

Read this leaflet, which John Kerry's VVAW were handing out here in the United States to dishonor American soldiers fighting in Vietnam.

Read John Kerry's infamous testimony before the Senate in 1971 in which he stated that American soldiers in Vietnam were rapists and warcriminals.

Read who exactly John Kerry's group the VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR are. Investigations have proved beyond a doubt that a lot of them were bogus "veterans". The Vietnam Veterans Against the War were financed by the notorious Hanoi Jane Fonda.

The pro Viet Cong VVAW, of which John Kerry was a leader discussed assassinating about 7 pro war senators during a meeting in Kansas City between 12 and 15 November in 1971. Kerry has always denied he was present. Until FBI files, eye-witnesses and newspaper articles from that period proved he was at the meeting. Kerry voted against the idea and the plot was never carried out. Still Kerry never contacted the authorities to tell them about the plans. It does show what kind of organisation the VVAW was.

John Kerry's picture hangs in the museum celebrating the Viet Cong's victory over America in Ho Chi Minh City aka Saigon. The communists in Vietnam consider him and Jane Fonda heros.

The military commander of the Viet Cong, General Vo Nguyen Giap, in his 1985 memoir of the war "How We Won the War" wrote "…if it were not for the disunity created by...stateside protests, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered."

linskyjack · 10:15 PM

Sunume are you questioning Sen. Kerrys service. Have you read the interviews of the men who were actually with him on that boat? It is always remarkable to me when a serviceperson doubts the service of another serviceperson particularly when the people who witnessed his heroism came forward. Have you ever seen any action? Or or is it primarily the blips on the radar screen?

Mulderator · 14-Oct-2004, 10:08 PM #7

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Sunume are you questioning Sen. Kerrys service. Have you read the interviews of the men who were actually with him on that boat? It is always remarkable to me when a serviceperson doubts the service of another serviceperson particularly when the people who witnessed his heroism came forward. Have you ever seen any action? Or or is it primarily the blips on the radio screen?

Not the issue--its what he did when he came back, which amounted to traitorous conduct.

linskyjack · 14-Oct-2004, 10:15 PM #8

When he came back he merely exercised his right of free speech--something he put his tail on the line for. And guess what, he was right about Viet Nam.

Sarge · 14-Oct-2004, 10:24 PM #9

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Originally Posted by Mulder

Not the issue--its what he did when he came back, which amounted to traitorous conduct.

Are you calling the service members who testified against the other service members at Abu-Gharib traitorous as well or does Abu-Gharib not apply?

Wino · 14-Oct-2004, 11:05 PM **#10**

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Are you calling the service members who testified against the other service members at Abu-Gharib traitorous as well or does Abu-Gharib not apply?

They will be called traitors only when they run for elective office and are democrats. If they are republican and run for office, they will be heroes - at least that appears to be the norm around here in CivDeb.

Mulder_Lite · 14-Oct-2004, 11:05 PM **#11**

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Are you calling the service members who testified against the other service members at Abu-Gharib traitorous as well or does Abu-Gharib not apply?

No, I am talking about the fact he met with communist leaders in Paris when we were still at war with VietNam. It would be like you meeting with Taliban leaders after you leave the military. Did you miss this:

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John Kerry's picture hangs in the museum celebrating the Viet Cong's victory over America in Ho Chi Minh City aka Saigon. The communists in Vietnam consider him and Jane Fonda heros

The fact that the enemy considers him a hero tells me he was a traitor. He could have protested the war and left it at that, but his actions (meeting with the enemy), IMO and the opinions of many cost American lives due to prolonging the war.

WarC · 14-Oct-2004, 11:42 PM **#12**

Benedict Arnold, anyone?

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/VVAW06.jpg

That about sums it up. The first amendment allows for freedom of speech when not false or slanderous. I'd say the above qualifies for both. A stretch for sure to say these were "normal" activities in Vietnam.

combsdon · 15-Oct-2004, 01:28 AM **#13**

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Originally Posted by linskyjack

When he came back he merely exercised his right of free speech--something he put his tail on the line for. And guess what, he was right about Viet Nam.

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