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20-Oct-2004, 04:06 PM #16
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Absolutely!............If you could find one! Hey! you're cute when you're rabidly mad! , but you need to wipe the foam off your mouth.
You think I'm mad now, Wino? I've only just begun--its Mulder on the rampage for the final two weeks!
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You think I'm mad now, Wino? I've only just begun--its Mulder on the rampage for the final two weeks!
Just keep your nitro handy in case the ticker over loads.
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Republicans and Democrats should invite international UN observers to check if there are no irregularities in the US election
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20-Oct-2004, 04:09 PM #19
Mulder, what are you talking about. Running you out? Relax, you still have the lead.
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Wow,
What a bunch of traitorous crooks! Why didn't we think of it?
Yep, kind of like the "Young Republicans" getting that lowsy Nader guy on the ballet here in WisConSin so to siphon votes from democrats.

Both reps and dems are trying to manipulate the election via external means.

Kind of like republicans changing district boundaries around based on the "demographic to change the ratio of republicans to democrats so to elect more republicans in a state. Although "legal" it is amoral.

There are also hints that both sides have groups ripping up voter registration information from "unfavorable" voters.

Good Stuff eh?

This is why I believe that the voting system needs to be changed to a rating system so your vote always counts even if you vote on a third party candidate, when you have 2 500lb gorillas fighting for an election its much worse than a bunch of 5lb monkeys.
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Exactly rmay---they can dish but they can't take. This is a dirty little campaign---started that way with the right wing talk radio people attacking all comers before they even got the nomination. Began back in 2000 with the Bush people claiming that MCCain had a mulatto child out of wedlock. This is the BUsh way of doing things. Fortunately, Terry McAulif knows the game and is fighting back! Its driving people like Mulder crazy.
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............ Its driving people like Mulder crazy.
That would be a short trip...say 30 ft., may be.
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Its driving people like Mulder crazy.
There's only one thing that drives Mulder crazy and it ain't a presidential election!

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Chicon--fact is there will be international observers--or at least I read that a while back. Seems kind of ironical that a country that is spreading democracy throughout the world can't get its own elections right!
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That would be a short trip...say 30 ft., may be.
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just a question.....is it true that an over litigated election is thrown to congress for final outcome? and if so, how does that work?
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just a question.....is it true that an over litigated election is thrown to congress for final outcome? and if so, how does that work?
It is only "thrown"to Congress if there is a tie--meaning the electoral votes are tied. If there is a winner and there is litigation over the vote counting, that would be resolved in the courts, not in the Congress:

Here is what happens when there is a tie:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../op/op11a.html


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What then? According to the Constitution, if no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the House of Representatives is to immediately choose a president from among the top three candidates. The vote is done by delegation; so, for example, Ohio's 20 House members would cast a single vote for president. Because Republicans have a majority in the Ohio delegation, it's probably safe to assume the state would vote to re-elect Bush.

In the current House delegations, Republicans control 30 states and Democrats 16, with 4 states evenly divided. But the current House would not conduct the vote. According to federal law, the electoral votes are actually counted (before a joint session of Congress) Jan. 6. The Constitution has the new Congress taking office three days earlier, on Jan. 3.

Nevertheless, given that there are few competitive House races nationwide, it's unlikely the Republicans will lose control of the majority of the state delegations on Nov. 2.

Therefore, in the event of an electoral college tie, it's all but certain Bush would be selected to serve for another four years.

Senate selection

The proceedings in the Senate might be even more interesting. The Constitution, in its complicated wisdom, gave the Senate the role of selecting the vice president.

Unlike the House, the Senate votes not by state delegation but by individual senator.

It has 51 Republicans, 48 Democrats, and 1 independent (who caucuses with the Democrats). Obviously, the loss of one seat by the Republicans would result in a deadlocked Senate, something that occurred for a time in 2001 until Vermont Sen. Jim Jeffords left the Republican Party and declared himself an independent.

If a 50-50 Senate were to cast a party-line vote for vice president, who would break the tie? Well, the Constitution calls for the sitting vice president, as president of the Senate, to break ties. There might be a debate over whether this tie-breaking role ought to be exercised during a nonlegislative vote, but an argument could be made that Vice President Dick Cheney would be constitutionally empowered to place himself back into the No. 2 slot.

Bush and Edwards?

This is largely uncharted territory. It's been 180 years since Congress was faced with the task of acting in the wake of an election that did not produce a majority vote.

Back in 1824, the House chose John Quincy Adams over Andrew Jackson, the candidate who had won the popular vote (although at the time, every state did not hold a popular vote for president).

Perhaps the correct precedent is even older. In 1796, John Adams, a member of the Federalist Party, was elected president. His vice president was Thomas Jefferson, leader of the Federalists' opponents, the Republicans. (This occurred, in part, because before the 12th Amendment, the candidate with the second-highest number of electoral votes became vice president.)

Jefferson would defeat Adams four years later in an election that was itself fraught with controversy and which resulted in our first electoral tie. The tie — between Jefferson and Aaron Burr — went to the House, which voted 36 times before declaring Jefferson the winner.

Far-fetched as this may sound, we could end up with Bush being re-elected president and Democrat John Edwards serving as his vice president.

If the Democrats gain two Senate seats in November, they would hold a majority. In the event of a tie, there would be nothing to prevent them from selecting Edwards over Cheney. Indeed, they would have every reason to do so, because, as president of the Senate, Edwards would then be able to protect Democratic control of that body in the event that his party somehow lost a seat (as happened to the Republicans when Jeffords bolted).

Faithless electors

Another possibility would involve a so-called faithless elector.

Realizing that a tie vote would send the election to Congress, one elector might simply change his or her vote. While unusual, it's happened in the past.

And imagine the pressure on a single elector, particularly when his or her vote might well lead to a chain of events that would once again result in a White House occupied by someone who had failed to secure a majority — and perhaps even a plurality — of the popular vote.

From the perspective of those who wrote the Constitution, however, such an elector would be considered faithful, not faithless. The framers expected those who would ultimately select the president to be free agents, not bound by a popular vote or by the choice of organized political parties.

Indeed, they spent quite a bit of time at the convention considering what to do in the expected event that, without organized parties or a candidate with the reputation of a Washington, no individual would garner a majority of the electors.

Yet so far, this has happened only once in our history. Perhaps we should be glad that George Mason, a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, was wrong when, on Sept. 4, 1787, he predicted that such a result would occur "19 times out of 20."
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If you want to steal an election, you can't wait until after Election Day. You have to start stealing it weeks and months in advance.

The difference between John Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000 is that Kerry has learned from Gore's mistake. Instead of waiting, Kerry has been working for months to steal this election.

The man who once helped Ho Chi Minh to defeat America in a war, who once referred to Daniel Ortega as "a misunderstood democrat," whose only consistent feature in a long career has been an infatuation with communist dictators--this man is using Marxist methods to steal the 2004 election.

First, violence. Gorillas from the AFL-CIO have been trashing Bush-Cheney headquarters--injuring people, scaring them, stealing equipment, vandalizing the buildings. This has happened in many states. (See the Oct. 11 letter from Gov. Marc Racicot, Bush-Cheney '04 campaign chairman, to AFL-CIO President John Sweeney.)

The purpose of these strong-arm tactics is to impede the Bush campaign locally, and to intimidate Republican voters. If John Kerry needs to use union thugs against his fellow citizens, he'll gladly use the thugs. The prospect of American elections someday being decided by armed bands in the streets doesn't bother Kerry. After all, it worked for Ortega.

Meanwhile, and secondly, Kerry's sister was in Australia trying to do, by non-violent means, the same thing al-Qaeda did in Spain: break up the international coalition for freedom. Get the good guys voted out and the appeasers voted in.

Thankfully, she failed.

Third, the Kerry campaign has cooperated with the liberal news media in schemes of biased coverage (the ABC News memo) and outright fraud (CBS). The American people, after all, can't be allowed to make a presidential choice on its merits. They must be disinformed.

ABC and CBS have been caught red-handed (color choice intentional), but Big Media in general shows no sign of slacking off in its design to steal the White House.

Fourth, Kerry has been giving speeches in African-American churches--from the pulpit, during Sunday services--spinning out the lie that Florida Republicans in 2000 "suppressed the black vote"--in districts run by Democrats, no less. This durable falsehood can only be called a sedition. It's an attempt to persuade people that they are the victims of a crime, when no crime was committed.

Finally, Democratic voter registration efforts have, in some parts of the country (like Franklin County, Ohio), generated more "voters" than the country has residents. They are poised to perpetrate voter fraud on a scale previously unknown to this nation.

This is John Kerry's version of democracy.

If it succeeds in winning him the White House, look for more of the same--and an extinction of the democratic process in America.

It's up to you and your families to see that he doesn't succeed.

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Dems trying to steal Florida:

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc47.htm

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As early voting begins Monday in the sunburn state of Florida controversy has already developed around a Democratic National Committee/Kerry-Edwards election manual.

The election manual titled -- "FLORIDA VICTORY 2004" -obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT, advocates an apparent unlawful "BALLOT PICKUP" drive by campaign volunteers.

The DNC Kerry/Edwards manual states:

"In Florida, it is legal to handle ballots. This means it is possible for the campaign to canvass base neighborhoods, pick up completed ballots and deliver them to Early Vote locations. We will incorporate these deliveries into our Early Vote canvassing program."

But Florida State election law - as detailed at: http://election.dos.state.fl.us/absenteevoting.shtml - is in sharp contrast and conflicts with the Dem plan.

"A designee may pick up an absentee ballot for a voter on election day or 4 days before election day. A designee may only pick up two absentee ballots per election, other than his or her own ballot or ballots for members of his or her immediate family. Designees must have written authorization from the voter, present a picture I.D. and sign an affidavit. Candidates may pick up absentee ballots only for members of their immediate family."

It is not clear as this transmits, if any Dem operatives have yet collected ballots. A legal challenge will be filed to stop any action, top Republican sources tell DRUDGE.

Dem officials point to difference between blank and completed ballots.

The exhaustive how-to FLORIDA VICTORY 2004 manual runs 26 pages with an 18 page appendix. It is signed by the DNC, Kerry Edwards, Florida Democrat Party, Kerry Edwards Campaign Chair, Florida Victory 2004, Florida AFL-CIO, Florida Education Association, Academy of Florida Trial Lawyers, and Florida SEIU.
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