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01-Nov-2004, 09:36 PM #1
Reverse Discrimination & Historically Black Institutions
I know this isn't as compelling as arguing Kerry/Bush but it points up an interest trend about the unintended impact of discrimination laws:

At Black Colleges, a Test of Change; Programs, Court Orders Spark Increase in White Enrollment
Avis Thomas-Lester
Washington Post Staff Writer
31 October 2004
The Washington Post

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Just after noon on the Howard University yard, members of the Omega Psi Phi fraternity broke into an impromptu step show, bobbing and chanting as they stomped in unison.
Chad Bishop watched from a distance. In his three years on the Northwest Washington campus, he has become fully immersed in college life: student body treasurer, sports announcer, newspaper board member, resident adviser in a dorm.
But Bishop, one of the few white students at this historically black university, said he has never felt quite comfortable enough to join a fraternity.
"You know, I started to pledge, but then I thought I shouldn't," Bishop, 24, said. "I wasn't sure how people would feel about it with the history and everything. I wasn't sure if people would understand why I wanted to do it."
Increasingly, white students are enrolling at the nation's 120 historically black colleges and universities, changing the landscape of institutions that were created when African Americans were barred from attending most colleges.
In the past quarter-century, the number of white students at these campuses has risen 65 percent, from 21,000 to nearly 35,000 -- an increase driven partly by court orders aimed at desegregation and partly by interest in programs these schools offer.
Some of these universities, such as West Virginia State University and Lincoln University of Missouri, are now majority-white. Others, struggling to meet court mandates for more white students, are using scant scholarship money to lure students from as far away as Russia.

Many educators said the changing demographics will enrich the educational experience for all students at the once all-black colleges.
"Boardrooms are not all black, and classrooms shouldn't be either," said Lee Young, admissions director at North Carolina A&T University, which actively recruits white students.
His school's increasing popularity with students of all races, Young said, is in many ways a measure of its success.
"What does it say about the value of your institution that people who didn't come before are now coming in droves to get in? It means that your institution has transcended color and now it is viewed as an institution of higher learning of impeccable choice."
Other activists and students, though, said this influx of white students is costing African Americans slots and scholarships at coveted schools and eventually could change the mission of these historically black colleges and universities, which are considered more nurturing than most other institutions.
"I feel like it will change the structure of the classes and the culture of the campus," said Tiffany Hawkins, 22, a senior telecommunications major at Baltimore's Morgan State University. "Now, we can speak freely. We learn about how things are different for us as black people. . . . In English class, we study black literature. In my media criticism class, we talked about how blacks are portrayed in the media.
"The focus is on us."
Most of the influx has come at public institutions, which receive funding from federal and state governments. As such, many colleges are pressured to increase their white enrollment -- even as affirmative action requirements at some other universities are waning.
"It is an odd and dubious legality that institutions that have not excluded anyone" are now forced to recruit white students, said Lezli Baskerville of the Silver Spring-based National Association for Equal Opportunity in Education.
Tennessee State University, for instance, was at one point under court order to increase its non-black enrollment to 50 percent. The court eventually dropped that requirement, and the campus has agreed to earmark $924,000 a year for scholarships to white students.
Three universities in Mississippi -- Jackson State, Mississippi Valley State and Alcorn State -- must increase their white enrollments to at least 10 percent and maintain that level for three years before they can receive a portion of the $524 million in state funds for school improvements provided in a federal court settlement, officials said. An effort to overturn that settlement reached in Ayers v. Fordice, a landmark desegregation case for colleges, was rejected Oct. 18 by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Alcorn State University, about 90 miles southwest of Jackson, has not found enough eligible white students from Mississippi interested in attending, so officials began recruiting overseas.
Eugenia Merculova Lubrano, 24, of Veronezh, Russia, a 2001 graduate who works as a recruiter for multicultural students at Alcorn, said she heard about the college from the mother of a friend. The word spread, she said, and now 40 people from her town have attended the historically black college.
Lubrano said she never could have gone to a U.S. university without the full scholarship Alcorn State offered.
Alvin O. Chambliss, the attorney who argued the Mississippi desegregation case, said the focus at historically black campuses should be on providing a quality education, not on drawing white students.
"They are going all the way to Russia to give away scholarships when they are sitting in the poorest state in this country and there are many poor black kids right there who could use those scholarships," Chambliss said. "They should be focusing on improving facilities and adding professional programs so that it will make all students want to go to these schools."
Morgan State University President Earl S. Richardson agreed. He said the key to diversifying student populations is offering quality programs. The Baltimore school offers no race-based scholarships, but has unique programs in architecture and city regional planning that help bring in students of all races. About 8 percent of its undergraduates and 20 percent of its graduate students are white, Asian or Latino.
"My goal here is to create an institution that is comparable to any of the majority-white universities," Richardson said. "Then, we not only improve the quality of education we offer our black students -- we make it attractive to white students, as well."
Morgan State and Maryland's other three historically black institutions -- Bowie State, Coppin State and University of Maryland Eastern Shore -- are governed by a 2000 accord with the U.S. Department of Education that sets no quotas for enrolling white students. Rather, the agreement encourages the state to invest in those colleges so they can offer unique programs to draw all students. Virginia, too, has focused on enhancing facilities and academic programs at Norfolk State and Virginia State universities rather than setting quotas.
Private universities, such as Hampton in Virginia and Howard, face no court mandates to attract white students and generally have less diverse student bodies. At Howard, 1 percent, or about 100, of their 11,000 students are white. Those who do enroll are generally drawn by its academic reputation or its music and athletic programs.
Bishop -- a tall, sandy-haired native of Shreveport, La. -- whittled his college choices to Howard and the University of Michigan because he had relatives near both campuses.
Bishop said he chose Howard "because of the tradition" -- the red brick buildings, the impressive resumes of the faculty, Howard's prestigious reputation.
He is aware, though, that some people think he doesn't belong.
"I don't want to offend you," a woman in a campus elevator once told him, "but I'd like to ask you why you decided to come here."
At other times, he has been called racist names and met more subtle hostility. He has been in classes where instructors have referred to "the white man" and made generalizations about white people that would have drawn fire if a white professor said the same about African Americans, he said.
"I was in the administration building and I had had a problem with something . . . and this lady who worked there said to me: 'Why are you here? This is for black people.'
"If she had been at a majority-white school and I had been black, she would have been fired."

Oddly, his relationships with white students are more strained. He feels more at home at majority-black parties at Howard than visiting predominantly white students' parties in Georgetown. Bishop said he rarely sees Howard's other white students taking an active role in campus activities, other than sports.
His southern roots have made him comfortable with some aspects of black culture, such as the food and music. "I eat my greens with my fingers mixed with my cornbread," he said. "I put my pork chops on bread and put hot sauce on it to make a sandwich."
The hardest gazes come when he walks across campus with black female friends. "It's like, 'What is she doing with him?' " he said.
But he has enjoyed his years at Howard. "I wish I could do it over again," he said. "This is a beautiful experience. The people who are nice to me are genuinely nice. This is like a family atmosphere.
"Not only did I get an academic education, I got a cultural education. . . . I don't believe I would have gotten that someplace else."
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01-Nov-2004, 11:13 PM #2
Interesting stuff GB. Gutsy too....but I dont think we've reached a point as a society where we can start demanding equal rights for white people in African American colleges though.

It is a bit unsettling.

Thanks for sharing.
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01-Nov-2004, 11:16 PM #3
Valley................That's the point, black colleges are now required to meet the same type of quotes as predominately white colleges.
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01-Nov-2004, 11:50 PM #4
I just read a report about movie theatres being required, in all screens, to display rear window subtitles. It's not quite the same thing, but hear me out. Deaf people want to be able to see the same movies everyone else sees, sure no problem, we'll install a system that lets you watch the movie with subtitles, but no one else can see them. But we'll install them in a few theatres, on a few screens. Deaf people say no, we want them on all screens. I'm getting to the point here. There are a lot of theatres that have the same movie showing on multiple screens, so why must this (really handy, but expensive) system be installed on all screens? Why not let market forces dictate how many screens need the upgrade? In a related piece, two theatres in Toronto closed down rather than upgrade to the required wheelchair accesibility. I feel for those who are (insert politically correct term here). But really, sometimes the law goes a little too far. This is a perfect example. The market force around these schools demands spots for blacks, but the law requires they import whites. Rediculous. I'm a white guy living in Chinatown, do you hear me demanding more white people move into the neighborhood? Not a chance. Not that I feel discriminated against, but I think you get my point.
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02-Nov-2004, 06:58 AM #5
This term has alway upset me...reverse discrimination: wouldn't that be no discrimination? Perhaps it's because I have seen true discrimination, but all the talk of equality is BS. If it weren't then people would not keep using it as a scapegoat.
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02-Nov-2004, 01:19 PM #6
In NYC, there is, as anyone who lives there or has visited will attest, a serious lack of public rest rooms. Some years ago a plan was proposed to install modern pay toilets at various points in the city. One of the benefits of the new facilities was that they were self cleaning, which would have made them probably the cleanest available to the public. However, they were not handicapped accessible, and the city was put on notice that if they were not ALL made handicapped accessible there would be lawsuits. The city offered to make some percentage handicapped accessible, but this was not good enough.

So we all have to do without. Lowest common denominator politics is never the way to go.
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kronus and Raeli....You are both referring to the Americans with Disabilities Act. One of the worse pieces of social legislation to be passed by Congress and signed by Bush, Sr. It has cost the American taxpayer and American businesses 100's of billions of dollars and will continue to do so in the future.
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This term has alway upset me...reverse discrimination: wouldn't that be no discrimination? Perhaps it's because I have seen true discrimination, but all the talk of equality is BS. If it weren't then people would not keep using it as a scapegoat.

There is no such thing as reverse discrimination IMO.. there is only Discrimination .. no matter who it's coming from.
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There is no such thing as reverse discrimination IMO.. there is only Discrimination .. no matter who it's coming from.
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02-Nov-2004, 09:00 PM #10
In a perfect world there would be no discrimination. However, when those who have been discrimnated against become discrimators the reaction is why do they do this?

They learned it from experience.
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In a perfect world there would be no discrimination. However, when those who have been discrimnated against become discrimators the reaction is why do they do this?

They learned it from experience.
not always...some take it on themselves (sometimes to a fault) to look at everything through the eye's of equality...fighting the differences when they arise.
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02-Nov-2004, 10:05 PM #12
Discrimination is very destructive to our society.
This is a dangerous world we are living in and to survive we must pull together as "Americans".
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