[LANMaster]

WHEW!!!
Pulled out a squeaker this time.

I truly had my doubts about this election. As a Conservative, I found Bush to be a big spender. And the Iraq aftermath hasn't been going all that well. (certainly not as bad as is reported, but less than perfect nonetheless)

Kerry was certainly not the answer to those things I would consider mistakes by the President. It's the old Ketchup analogy;
If my hamburger has too much ketchup on it, the solution is not to add more ketchup.

So I am delighted and relieved that Bush won this election. I still think he needs to be more fiscally Conservative, though.

He needs to use the confidence that the American people have again placed in him to make great strides in Iraq, so that we can finish up victoriously and return our troops to the homes which they love, and leave Iraq ith a real chance at the freedom to govern themselves.

And lastly, I want to credit John Kerry for 2 things.
#1 for almost defeating President Bush. Strangely enough, the contest may actually make America stronger and wiser.
And #2 for conceding the election this morning rather than dragging it on and on as Albert Gore's team did in 2000. Our citizens, allies, and enemies alike need to view this tight election with no ambiguity or doubt. The country will do better without the rantings that we have dealt with over the 2000 election uncertainty. For that, Mr. Kerry, I salute you.

I wish you had shown the country this kind of class and honor over the course of your campaign, but you make up for that with your gracious concession. I am sure that if the President believes some of your ideas have merit, he will call you for more details.

I'm sure glad this election is over.

[deh]

I credit Kerry for coming so close when his only real campaign was "I'm not Bush". j/k

[angelize56]

So what will Kerry do now?

Congrats to both as LAN says!

[angelize56]

deh: Just saw your sig.....heehee!

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

WHEW!!!
Pulled out a squeaker this time.

I truly had my doubts about this election.

Come on LAN--you PMd me that concern and I told you not to worry, he'd win by a comfortable margin and he has--286 to 252 when they conclude Iowa and New Mexico (I predicted 287 to 251) and by 51% of the popular vote (3.5 million votes ahead of Kerry). He received the most total votes of any President in History--no Democrat has carried a clear majority since Carter did it barely in 1976.

Don't listen to this crap I am already hearing from Democrats and liberals that he has no mandate from the people because the race was so close--that's BS--take a look a the Red-Blue map--he's got a clear mandate from the people and this despite all the Michael Moore lies and the media attempts to derail his re-election. He would have won 55% to 45% if the media had played fair and balanced.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by deh

I credit Kerry for coming so close when his only real campaign was "I'm not Bush". j/k

Excellent Sig! I was told that repeatedly by liberals here for the past 2 years or so. They eased up on the "landslide" prediction as the race got closer to November, but I told 'em from day one GWB would be re-elected!!! That guarantee is all over this board!!!

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Come on LAN--you PMd me that concern and I told you not to worry, he'd win by a comfortable margin and he has--286 to 252 when they conclude Iowa and New Mexico (I predicted 287 to 251) and by 51% of the popular vote (3.5 million votes ahead of Kerry). He received the most total votes of any President in History--no Democrat has carried a clear majority since Carter did it barely in 1976.

Don't listen to this crap I am already hearing from Democrats and liberals that he has no mandate from the people because the race was so close--that's BS--take a look a the Red-Blue map--he's got a clear mandate from the people and this despite all the Michael Moore lies and the media attempts to derail his re-election. He would have won 55% to 45% if the media had played fair and balanced.

You may have a point, but it sure seemed like a close race.

BTW, I think Michael Moore did more to help Bush's re-election than anything else. He single-handedly made it acceptable for anyone to be as dishonest and negative as they wanted.

Big turnout.

[Lurker1]

Well it looks like Bush won and it was close. Only 100,000 votes in Ohio. I am preparing for the next four years of Bush. I have already ordered my
"Don't blame me I voted for Kerry" bumper sticker for my car.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

You may have a point, but it sure seemed like a close race.

That's how the media wanted you to see it. I'll refresh your memory of what I told you a week ago in the PM.

Originally Posted by Mulder

No, all the polls had Clinton in a comfortable lead. Kerry has NEVER lead, ever. At best he has see-sawed to even, but what you do is balance out those valleys and peaks and you end up with Bush comfortably in the lead. He won't win by a wide margin, but he will have a comfortable margin of victory.

[deh]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I'm really concerned that Kerry might actually beat Bush.

*Gasp* Doubting LAN?


Ye of little faith.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Lurker1

Well it looks like Bush won and it was close. Only 100,000 votes in Ohio. I am preparing for the next four years of Bush. I have already ordered my
"Don't blame me I voted for Kerry" bumper sticker for my car.

It wasn't "close", 2000 was close. It wasn't a "landslide", but it was not "close"--I'm stopping that mantra right now. His margin of victory in Ohio was actually close to 150,000 votes as it stands now (not 100,000) and the absentee/provisionals are likely to increase, not decrease that lead. It will probably be close to 175,000 votes. Bush won by 3.5 million votes, more than any President in history and he got a majority of the popular vote (Clinton never did--the last Democrat to do that was Carter in 1976--that's almost 30 years ago). He will end up with 31 out of the 50 states and more than 2/3 of the land mass of the country--that's not close. And he did it despite enormous media efforts at distortion to derail the campaign--he probably would have had 55% of the popular vote if you subtract that from the equation. Take a look at the map and color those two remaining uncalled states red because that's where they will end up.

[Lurker1]

Oh come on Mulder, only 100,000 votes in Ohio or a change of 60,000 and Kerry would have won the election with 272. Thats about the population of my small town. Thats close in my book.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Lurker1

Oh come on Mulder, only 100,000 votes in Ohio or a change of 60,000 and Kerry would have won the election with 272. Thats about the population of my small town. Thats close in my book.

What are you talking about? Its 150,000 votes, not 100,000. And if you want to use that reasoning, look at that margins in Kerry states that change with far less votes:

Winconsin, 11,000 votes (10 EV)
Minnesota, 98,000 votes (10 EV)
PA, 120,000 votes (21 EV)
Oregon, 80,000 votes (7 EV)
New Hampshire, 10,000 votes (4 EV)
Hawaii, 40,000 votes (4 EV).

Blue States have been Blue and Red States have been Red for many years with "Swing States" making the difference. Bush captured the big "Swing States" (Florida and Ohio) convincingly. No matter how you spin it, 150,000 votes is a "comfortable" margin--it is not "close". The only reason your focusing on Ohio is because that's the swing state that made the difference, but as note above, there are a number of "Blue" states that could have been snagged by Bush with less votes then the difference in Ohio.

Clinton only got 43% of the vote in 1992 and he was exhaulted as the people's hero.

If Kerry had won by the same margins Bush did, all you liberals would be chanting in unison about how convincing his victory was!

This race was not "close' when analyzed statistically. It was a "comfortable" margin of victory.

[Miercaky]

So, what do you think - the "Curse of the Bambino" may not be gone - perhaps it is just that it has been TRANSFERRED to Democratic presidential candidates from Mass running for office ?