[Deke40]

The following video is over 14 minutes long but sure makes even me wonder about this appointment. Click on the link on the page that comes up. I couldn't get the acutal link to work. Must have to register at that site.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/22743/

[Ciberblade]

I can see more and more of this coming out.

For at that time, the 'blame game' was going on, and everybody was scrambling to cover their own ***.

The more important function should be, learning from the past by discerning a method to separate the credible threats from the large quantity of those that are not.

[bassetman]

Pretty sad.

[linskyjack]

Amazing stuff---This woman and this administration are putting us at risk--This is an indictment that only the most cynical right wingers will ignore.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by ciberblade

For at that time, the 'blame game' was going on, and everybody was scrambling to cover their own ***.
The more important function should be, learning from the past by discerning a method to separate the credible threats from the large quantity of those that are not.

i couldn't agree more, but i find three things telling about that video

....in at least three of the clips (twice before the congressional committee, once in one of the interviews) her initial defensive responsive was "we"....quickly changed to "i"......minutae to be sure, but suggesting the sort of "top down" dissemination of information that this administration has been faulted for.....

....the 2nd thing is the way she "handled" the information about hussein's aluminum tubes....this, to me, is a far more blatant example of ignoring information in favor of policy, and certainly confirms the need to disgrace the media as a biased instrument of the opposition, as it took an "inside job" to bring the truth to light.

....and the last is the quip about hussein blocking progress in the middle east.....imo, this is no doubt the closest to the administration's truth of its reason for invading iraq.....yet, with the growing concern, now, about iran, it also suggests a kind of reverse domino theory attitude about geopolitics, as in there will always be a block to progress....

on the other hand, it is easy to see why she got the job, and i don't entirely buy moyer's "reward" suggestion....in the hot seat....she is good....keeping her cool, defiant without being rude, gifted with the subtleties of languange, and very self-possessed.....

[linskyjack]

Disagree--I dont find her gifted with the subtleties of language-- When I first saw her testimony months ago, I knew she was liar. Her righteous indignation was merely the feeble attempt of a rat who was cornered.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

Disagree--I dont find her gifted with the subtleties of language-- When I first saw her testimony months ago, I knew she was liar. Her righteous indignation was merely the feeble attempt of a rat who was cornered.

actually, the "gift of language" thing mostly came from the way she answered the committee's questioning about the cia director's august, '01 memo.....the way she calmly stated that yes, the memo had indeed warned her of bin laden's threat, but (with a little vocal shrug...or sneer) she added that it didin't say it was imminent....implying with a minimum of words that it was the cia's fault for not telling her more plainly.... and that everybody was stupid if they didn't agree with her......

[linskyjack]

You know Iltos--we are to close to the events of 9/11 and the war in Iraq, but I predict that when the history is written, when the cockroaches come out of the woodwork and chirp--well then we will find out that both could have been avoided.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by linskyjack

You know Iltos--we are to close to the events of 9/11 and the war in Iraq, but I predict that when the history is written, when the cockroaches come out of the woodwork and chirp--well then we will find out that both could have been avoided.

i agree about 911, and about iraq, too, i quess, if you consider changing all the choices that have been made about it for the last thirty years.....

re: 911, tho...when i was a junior in high school (like '64), i was invited to attend some college classes through the u.c system, and took a history class....the professor (tooting his own horn i realize now) talked about fdr knowing about pearl harbor and allowing it to happen so that the u.s (pretty isolationist up til then) could enter the war....it was the first time anyone had attempted to peel back the layers of what public school had told us all in u.s governement classes (commie pinko prof, no doubt )

anyway....while i don't subscribe to the full blown conspiracy theory being bantered about on the internet, i do agree that intellegence was ignored, and feel, as well, that bin laden struck against america because of the political climate born in the 2000 election, and that those in power (i'm not even sure bush is the key...i don't think he has the wearwithall or the guts) were willing to allow the risk as potential advertising for their agenda.

[Ciberblade]

L-Jack ~ Every politician in Washington is a liar, what makes her so special?

[Ciberblade]

iltos ~ If I remember correctly...Bin Laden himself talked of an attack inside the U.S. well before 2000. After an engagement with some rangers. When I have some time, I will look up the reference.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by ciberblade

iltos ~ If I remember correctly...Bin Laden himself talked of an attack inside the U.S. well before 2000. After an engagement with some rangers. When I have some time, I will look up the reference.

yeah....i remember that, as well....i think the first attack on the wtc was evidence enough.....

fwiw, my "conspiracy" thoughts aren't meant to be definitive (duh!!! ), and i purposefully left bush out of any speculation because it seems to me to be a political thing, not an individual thing.....

having said that, i think clinton probably swept some info under the rug, as well, but being more moderate (and fortunate enough to come between hussein's invasion of kuwait and bush jr, might also have served to temper the fire of terrorism a hair....or conversely, give it some planning time.

the truth is that none of these geopolitical antics are as simple enough or logical enough for my feeble brain to make sense out of.....probably the purest reason why the policy makers just need to just stop...ain't gonna happen, of course......

[linskyjack]

Condelessa Rice has never been elected to an office, and therefore serves at the discretion of the President and thus cannot be taken to task for her lies. We can't vote her out. Yes, every politician lies, but very few politicians have the power to influence and sway US policy in the direction they want. Bush is ultimately the one to blame.

[bassetman]

She does appear incompetent, does she no?

[linskyjack]

Grossly incompetent in my mind. I dont think Bush is looking for people who can analyze a problem and give him his options. That's because he already knows that he is going to do because God told him so. He is looking for people to support his bizzare visions.