[izme]

Another year has gone by with no attacks by the terrorist's on American soil

Why? Is it because of the Patriot act or?

what is your opinion on this?

Rep, I would be interested on what you think about this too from a politician's point of view

It should be interesting to hear what all of you have to say


Sorry for two post's in one week but I just had to ask this question

[WarC]

Personally, I'd say its a mix of things. Increased security in the airports and stricter visa rules, plus the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most extremists serious enough to travel to the United States to kill or maim civilians are now going to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight.

[izme]

Originally Posted by WarC

Personally, I'd say its a mix of things. Increased security in the airports and stricter visa rules, plus the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most extremists serious enough to travel to the United States to kill or maim civilians are now going to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight.

Yah that's sound pretty good to me, I just wonder if it has to do with the wrath it brings down on them, although we are ready after them, I am sure that there are probably terrorist's on American soil as we speak, I heard on CNN where someone had said that the terrorist's just wanted to have one big blow on America and then wait for a long time for another if at all


hmmmmmmmm

[Mulderator]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with US military action in Afghanistan and Iraq!

[plschwartz]

Isme:
AQ did what they set out to do. Why should they risk a failure.
We are doing all the recruiting they could want

[izme]

Originally Posted by Mulder

I'm sure it has nothing to do with US military action in Afghanistan and Iraq!

The wrath in which they face is catastrophic to these terrorist's, may we get every damn one of them Millions where they came from though?

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

Isme:
AQ did what they set out to do. Why should they risk a failure.
We are doing all the recruiting they could want

Yes--recruiting terrorist scum to Iraq where we can kill them all like cockroaches in a bathtub.

[izme]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

Isme:
AQ did what they set out to do. Why should they risk a failure.
We are doing all the recruiting they could want

you mean by being in Iraq? Soldiers rushing to fight against American's?

[izme]

Originally Posted by Mulder

Yes--recruiting terrorist scum to Iraq where we can kill them all like cockroaches in a bathtub.

Actually isn't a terrorist a lower form of life, unless cockroaches go around strapping bombs to their little bodies and blowing up other innocent lil cockroaches?

[izme]

So how much has the Patriot act contributed to stopping attacks on the U.S.????

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by izme

So how much has the Patriot act contributed to stopping attacks on the U.S.????

That's the problem with law enforcement in general. You can never tell how effective or ineffective it is because you never know what would have happened. Same with Iraq--you never know what Hussein would have done a year from now or 10 years from now. I like knowing the SOB is in a jail cell. I also like knowing there are many dead terrorists who would be alive but for our US military--those guys and girls are doing a helluva job!!!

[izme]

Originally Posted by Mulder

That's the problem with law enforcement in general. You can never tell how effective or ineffective it is because you never know what would have happened. Same with Iraq--you never know what Hussein would have done a year from now or 10 years from now. I like knowing the SOB is in a jail cell. I also like knowing there are many dead terrorists who would be alive but for our US military--those guys and girls are doing a helluva job!!!

Yah, that's true, I have heard very little about U.S. Arrests of terrorist's in this country

About Sodaam insane Sadaam - What ever happened to him? I honestly haven't heard anything about him for quite some time, you sure he isn't out and living in Key West?

And yes, our guys and girls is doing a helluva job in Iraq

[plschwartz]

Originally Posted by izme

you mean by being in Iraq? Soldiers rushing to fight against American's?

Izme:
UBL's stated aim was to get to US out of Moslem especially Arab lands.
Years ago I read an account by Tolstoy when he was in the chechin region during tsarist times. The Chechins conducted raids to steal horses. This felt like endless Westerns I had seen. In fact Tolstoy called the Chechin warriors "braves" . This tribal structure also seems to exist in much of the Mid East.
It is from this mindset that I see UBL. He wanted to be the war chief so he sets a daring raid that suceeded beyond his expectations. This made his name and gave him leadership. Further raids at this time might not work and lessen his reputation.
As far as Iraq goes, Moslems around the world have been radicalized by Bush beyond anything UBL could have done on his own. His ally AZ who we also made famous is now getting credit for many of the more notable raids. Now carefully taped by embedded AQ camera men.
If I were UBL I would see Bush as a gift from Allah to help him in his jihad

[izme]

Originally Posted by plschwartz

Izme:
UBL's stated aim was to get to US out of Moslem especially Arab lands.
Years ago I read an account by Tolstoy when he was in the chechin region during tsarist times. The Chechins conducted raids to steal horses. This felt like endless Westerns I had seen. In fact Tolstoy called the Chechin warriors "braves" . This tribal structure also seems to exist in much of the Mid East.
It is from this mindset that I see UBL. He wanted to be the war chief so he sets a daring raid that suceeded beyond his expectations. This made his name and gave him leadership. Further raids at this time might not work and lessen his reputation.
As far as Iraq goes, Moslems around the world have been radicalized by Bush beyond anything UBL could have done on his own. His ally AZ who we also made famous is now getting credit for many of the more notable raids. Now carefully taped by embedded AQ camera men.
If I were UBL I would see Bush as a gift from Allah to help him in his jihad

wow, what a unique way of looking at it, yes, I can see where they do think we are fueling their cause, but in a way when was this all started as far as this new war and major jihad? When we set foot on Arab soil? When Iraq invaded Kuwait? When the terrorist's hit the twin towers? Or way before both of those instances many centuries ago? Who really started all of this? Fingers can point in many directions huh? I think that it's all these fanatical people know and what ever can fuel their wars is good for business so to speak, if not pointing the finger at us, who else? They seem to be entertwined in war and hatred no matter who the foe, they would even make a foe to keep the unrest and hatred alive? it seems these fringe fanatics know very little but bloodshed and fanatical beliefs that lead to nowhere. Just moving from one conflict to another, while always packing the ol AK47, it is deeper than that but some simplistic ideals are also evident.

[plschwartz]

IZME:
Tough question!

In the end of his trilogy Tolkein talks of a change. Though there there is a return to a wonderful age yet now all would die. For, he says when good deals with evil even if it wins good looses something. And in my lifetime America has definately lost something. It lost its innocence. Perhaps because of Vietnam or perhaps already by Vietnam we became something else
Whatever happened we became a supporter of dictators colonial powers and other non wilsonian types.

Atthe time of the start of building up toward Iraq I read that one of the persistant stories on the Arab Street was that Saddam had in fact been promised Kuwait by BushI if he stopped Iran. That Bush had given him tacit permission to take Kuwait but then double-crossed him and went to war. Bush did this to get Saudi Arabia to allow us bases on their territory. Double-crossed Saddam vented his fury by torching the oilwells and by trying to kill Bush later. Bush then also encouraged the Shia into revo;t and then walked away, "removing" both threats. Of course then both Shia and Sunni were pretty peed off at the US.
It was of course the US bases in SA that Saddam vowed to get removed.

Quickly, in what I said earlier, we make the mistake of assuming that the rest of the world are like we are. In fact in most traditional warrior societies the most important thing is that a man fought well and if need be died well. They do not put life at any course on the top of the list.
Well more anon

Also quickly