[Servant of Eru]

Continued from THIS THREAD to avoid further derailment and rudeness where it does not belong.

Originally Posted by valley

why not?

Ephesians 4:29 "Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers"

Col 4:6 "Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how to answer each one."

the F-word and other like that should be offensive to hear, yet you welcome it.

Why valley? It's a word, just like any other word in the dictionary. There are certain words that even I won't use (most of them having racist overtones), but only because of the stigma attached to them. While you could argue such words offend people, I use them when in the company of others who talk the same way, I do me best not to offend people, and I do a good job of segmenting my language habits considering I don't slip.

The Ephesians verse, well that one's particularly easy to counter, you can be more spiteful using 'polite' language, than 'naughty' language, in fact probably even more so. In my experience, cuss words are used to insult someone because you don't know anything better to say.

The one from Colossians, well, salt is usually used as a word representing healing, depending on what kind of healing you're going for, blunt can be just what someone needs. The point I'm trying to make is the word itself isn't really bad, but the manner in which a person uses it.

Originally Posted by valley

This is not a matter of weight and measure....you dont read something offensive and full of cursing only to counterbalance its affects by something wholesome and good. You've already shown what holds more wieght to you personally by the quotes you choose.

And yet earlier you said that I used to have quotes by C.S. Lewis. Along the way I've also had quotes by Ghandi (The outcome of untruth and violence will never be peace), and various quotes from webcomics I've found humorous. You're right, it's not a matter of weight and measure, it's a matter of I read what I find enjoyable, and think I can learn from. I read The Onion, it uses just as much bad language at times. I read America The Book, and while it had atrocious language, there were many many good points made, as well as it being an excellent piece of political satire.

Originally Posted by valley

I remember reading a post from you where you admitted to deliberately speaking rudely to someone who walked up to you and tried to be nice to you. You said that if they didnt walk away, you would get ruder until they left you alone. This is the kind of behavior that makes you unrecognizable as a believer to me.

I believe that was in the Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas thread correct? I also believe that was a joke depending on my mindset at the time. The most I've ever done was just ignore someone when they were being particularly stupid and eventually saying "Why are you still talking to me."

[valley]

Originally Posted by Servant of Eru

Why valley? It's a word, just like any other word in the dictionary.

would you use it in school? In a courtroom? In a funeral parlor? In front of your grandparents? Cussing is not even allowed here....why is it that you cannot fathom why some people dopnt accept it as an acceptable way to speak?

And are you really suggesting that Jesus Christ Himself would have no problem with cussing?

In my experience, cuss words are used to insult someone because you don't know anything better to say.

Well I dont know about you but I'm not sure I'd want to be quoting someone who doesnt know how to get his point across without the use of cusswords. (for anyone's information....this was referring to SOE's link in his quote)

The point I'm trying to make is the word itself isn't really bad, but the manner in which a person uses it.

give me a break.

I believe that was in the Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas thread correct?

yes...took you longer to find it than IT than it did me, tho.

I also believe that was a joke depending on my mindset at the time.

read it again...you made no mention of the fact that you were joking. Buck tried to tell you but you feigned ignorance. let me guess...this is just another case of you being "facetious" like you claimed to be in your comments about GB's spelling, right? And what about your illegal link that got you banned awhile back? And your other nasty comments here and there to other members? What excuses do you have for those? All done in a facetious manner?

Hey I got no problem with you wanting to act like a child if thats how you choose to live your life...but dont do it under the guise of Christianity because you wont find much support for your bad behavior from anyone else out there, especially the Christian community.

[Alan18]

I really didn't like you, "And are you really suggesting that Jesus Christ Himself would have no problem with cussing?"

First off I don't think you should be "putting words in His mouth."

I find very little wrong with swearing, until it becomes violent.

My 2 cents,
Alan

[valley]

btw...Servant...why did you start a thread in civi deb and not random to continue this discussion and what does the title of the thread have to do with cussing?

I would think even people of other faiths can agree that cussing is rude and not an acceptable way to get a point across.

[Alan18]

I'd say it depends on what point your trying to get across.


Alan

[valley]

Originally Posted by Alan18

I really didn't like you, "And are you really suggesting that Jesus Christ Himself would have no problem with cussing?"

First off I don't think you should be "putting words in His mouth."

show me where I put words in His mouth.

I asked a question...I did not quote Him.

[LANMaster]

This thread

[valley]

Lan

[Alan18]

Notice the """""words in his mouth"""""

How can you possibly be sure that He doesn't "cuss"

Alan

[Wet Chicken]

Originally Posted by valley

I would think even people of other faiths can agree that cussing is rude and not an acceptable way to get a point across.

Well said

There was a study around ten years ago that showed that the less educated a person was, the more they swore. No big surprise there

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by Wet Chicken

Well said

There was a study around ten years ago that showed that the less educated a person was, the more they swore. No big surprise there

WC & valley.Is the word inappropiate or rude not understood?.
Maybe I am old-fashioned , but I think not--- I cuss at times.
There is a time and place for everything, and there are norms of language.
Depending on culture and who is within hearing distance---care should be taken. Why use language that offends ---even if it is just words.
Words are powerful. >f

[angelize56]

Jimmy: Your thread title is not in line with the subject material. I don't know why anyone...let alone teenagers have to swear....it doesn't make one look very intelligent...and it really irks me how you...Jimmy...keep thinking there is nothing wrong with being rude, posting links with nasty words in them....or acting like you're going to get anyone here to agree with you about the subject...except maybe Hex if he was still around! I have never put you on the same level as Hex...don't make me change my mind! You can be a nice young man and never use a cuss word in your life! Wouldn't you rather be respected for your intelligence rather than disrespected for cussing?

[angelize56]

And Jimmy knows I like him!

[Wet Chicken]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Depending on culture and who is within hearing distance---care should be taken. Why use language that offends ---even if it is just words.

I have always seen a direct link between swearing and maturity/intelligence. I thought it was common knowledge but I guess not Quick story, I knew a guy who would always swear. Then he went to collage and got a degree. When he came out he didn't swear anymore Personally I think it was because he grew up and was more intelligent. I've seen this other times too. And I'm not talking about the occasional sorted swear word here and there. I'm talking about swearing on a 'normal' (if you could call it that) basis.

Reminds me of a joke... Guy says he stopped swearing, stopped smoking and stopped drinking. Then all of a sudden he says "*&^%$# I left my cigarettes down at the bar!"

[Servant of Eru]

Originally Posted by valley

would you use it in school?

Depends on the teacher, many of the teachers at my school talk in a similar manner to me, course I really don't use all that much bad language, I use words as intensifiers.

Originally Posted by valley

In a courtroom?

Please, don't be absurd, not the right time or place.

Originally Posted by valley

In a funeral parlor?

Depends on the person I'm speaking to and whether they can appreciate a good dead joke.

Originally Posted by valley

In front of your grandparents?

The grandmother I have left...no. But my grandparents on my father's side of the family could swear like sailors at times, including his mother. If they were still alive, now that I'm older, I assume I would.

Originally Posted by valley

Cussing is not even allowed here....why is it that you cannot fathom why some people dopnt accept it as an acceptable way to speak?

I can fathom it, and that's why I don't use them at all times, and even when I do use them, it's done fairly sparingly as intensifiers.

Originally Posted by valley

And are you really suggesting that Jesus Christ Himself would have no problem with cussing?

I have no idea what Jesus would have said or not said when he was joking around with his friends, I do know however that the dregs of society were his primary converts, so he was definitely surrounded by uncouth behaviour.

Originally Posted by valley

Well I dont know about you but I'm not sure I'd want to be quoting someone who doesnt know how to get his point across without the use of cusswords. (for anyone's information....this was referring to SOE's link in his quote)

Yes, it always comes back to that link doesn't it? The link and text will be changed eventually when I find something else that catches my fancy, that line in my sig is particularly poignant though, and all those words were not used without intelligence IMO.

Originally Posted by valley

give me a break.



yes...took you longer to find it than IT than it did me, tho.


read it again...you made no mention of the fact that you were joking. Buck tried to tell you but you feigned ignorance. let me guess...this is just another case of you being "facetious" like you claimed to be in your comments about GB's spelling, right?

I did about five searches and then manually sifted through the pages of that timeframe trying to find it to no avail or else I would have already linked. Thank you.

I had been having not only a bad spot there, but also had been having some problems with buck (in my stupid mindset), therefore when he told me that what I meant as a joke (the first post) was inappropriate, my bristles brushed the wrong way. I reacted like a jerk, and said I was being honest, even though I wasn't. I was lying the second time, the first I wasn't. Feh, don't care what you think of that, as I'm coming clean.

Originally Posted by valley

And what about your illegal link that got you banned awhile back?

The link in question was posted BECAUSE of it's borderline illegal nature. I thought it was just a forum, apparently there was more to it. It was posted in Civ Debate, and I intended to start a discussion about Internet Censorship (something I'm not fond of), and if there was actually a place for it. I was temp banned, and after explaining my misguided intent to Candy via email, it was automatically lifted. Since then, before posting a link, I've always made sure to check out the site in question and make sure there was no extremely objectionable content, and if there was say some bad language, to warn people.

Originally Posted by valley

And your other nasty comments here and there to other members? What excuses do you have for those? All done in a facetious manner?

Doubtful, I try to be civil, but I got a hot temper, and as you said, I get overly defensive, it's something I'm actively working on, but doesn't everyone have flaws? How about yours valley?

Originally Posted by valley

Hey I got no problem with you wanting to act like a child if thats how you choose to live your life...but dont do it under the guise of Christianity because you wont find much support for your bad behavior from anyone else out there, especially the Christian community.

When did I ask for your support? I have my own little religious niche, and my own relationship with that ethereal untangible being, and that's enough for me. I don't need your support, nor anyone else's on the internet. That's the interesting thing about the Christian religion and any other, everybody has their own interpretation about bits and pieces of it and can never make up their minds about what exactly's right, therefore no one really is.