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05-Mar-2005, 12:13 PM #1
'Hobbit man' may be new species
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Technical studies on the brain of the controversial Homo floresiensis, nicknamed "the Hobbit", shows that it might be a new species in the family tree of modern man's evolution.

Finding a reason for the diminutive chimpanzee-sized brain of the Hobbit has caused several disputes since its discovery in September 2003. First discovered inside the Liang Bua limestone cave in Flores, the creature was estimated to stand at about a meter tall and weigh 25 kilograms.

what nonesense..its just a dwarf..they find one dwarf and think they found a whole species,, toss modern "science"
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05-Mar-2005, 01:53 PM #2
Funny you say it's "just a dwarf", then put down modern science.
It is not the same, but smaller, as you claim, or the first line of this article implies.
Further, they've found more than just one.

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'Hobbit' may be new species
04/03/2005 12:08 - (SA)

Washington - A partial skeleton of a one-metre-tall hominid discovered in an Indonesian cave and nicknamed "the Hobbit" is probably a new, dwarf species of human, said a study out on Thursday.

A team of scientists reached the conclusion after analysing the skull of the estimated 18 000 year-old skeleton, one of several unearthed two years ago on the eastern Indonesian island of Flores.

Although their conclusion is debated by some scientists, the skeleton, probably of a mature woman, was given the scientific species name Homo floresiensis, after the island.

Scientists nicknamed the skeleton "the Hobbit" after the diminutive title character of a book by fantasy writer JRR Tolkien, author of The Lord of the Rings.

Scientists from the United States, Australia and Indonesia compared the skull to those of humans, chimpanzees and other human ancestors to determine whether it was simply a pygmy form of human, a person whose growth was stunted by a growth disorder, or an entirely new species.

Their conclusions were released on Thursday on Science Express, the online edition of the US journal Science.

Doubts remain

After creating a detailed three-dimensional model of the skull using computer tomography, the scientists reconstructed the likely features of the Hobbit's brain, and then compared them with other hominid brains and skulls.

According to the report, impressions the woman's brain left on the skull gave strong indications that the skeletons were human.

"It was a surprise because the brain was so small that we thought it would resemble a chimp's, but instead it was more like that of bigger creatures," said Dean Falk, lead author of the study.

Moreover, comparisons with pygmy skulls, and with the skulls of humans who had suffered the brain growth-stunting affliction microcephaly, revealed few similarities, leading scientists to conclude it was a new species.

"The brain is unique," said Australian anthropologist Mike Morwood. "This human species was capable of quite complex behaviors. We know that these little humans were doing things like hunting (and) making sophisticated tools."

However, some scientists, including a leading Indonesian anthropologist, contest the study's conclusions and argue that the Hobbit belongs to the Homo sapiens species.

The Hobbit was one of seven skeletons, which scientists date in a range of 95 000 to 12 000 years ago, dug up in different layers of earth in the Flores cave.
A computer image showing the brain of Homo floresiensis, left, alongside that of a pygmy, right. (Kirk E Smith, AP)
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06-Mar-2005, 09:46 PM #3
I posted an article on this in Evolution and Creation. Dwarf? The buildings in the Mayan Tulum are all for very very small people, much smaller than the Mayans. Curiously all those people disappeared without leaving a trace.
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07-Mar-2005, 03:02 AM #4
I believe the brain on the left is that of modern day right wingers, better known as homo muldersesis
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07-Mar-2005, 09:28 AM #5
ROFLMAO Got my chuckle for the day! What a marvelous sense of humor you have WC!
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Smeegolus Fishimus
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Smeegolus Fishimus

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08-Mar-2005, 12:05 AM #8
lepercauns from ireland?
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Watch it people, you are talking about my kin folk!!!



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08-Mar-2005, 12:30 AM #10
homo muldersesis?
Smeegolus Fishimus?
lepercauns?

By the color, isn't it Presidential Campaign era Homo Democratensis?
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08-Mar-2005, 12:31 AM #11
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By the color, isn't it Presidential Campaign era Homo Democratensis?


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08-Mar-2005, 12:33 AM #12
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Watch it people, you are talking about my kin folk!!!





A major advantage for a cave spelunker eh?


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homo muldersesis?
Smeegolus Fishimus?
lepercauns?

By the color, isn't it Presidential Campaign era Homo Democratensis?
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10-May-2005, 09:37 AM #13
Question Hi
[Does this prove there's no God?
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10-May-2005, 09:38 AM #14
Y'know, the hobbit
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Am I the only one here?
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