[prospect]

You gotta love American Marine Corps vets They just don't forget.

I don't know why she wasn't tried for treason!

Any thoughts from any TSG vets?

[Wino]

Originally Posted by prospect

You gotta love American Marine Corps vets They just don't forget.

I don't know why she wasn't tried for treason!

Any thoughts from any TSG vets?

Was she wrong in doing it (visit to Hanoi)? Yes, in my opinion. Was she wrong to be against that war? No, in my opinion. Youthful indiscretion on Jane's part - kinda like the guy we recently elected as prez - DUI, Coke snorter, draft dodger, in his younger days. I'm sure both rue, to a certain extent, some of their youthful actions. But, that was then, this is now. Jane is a private citizen, the other is prez - in the overall scheme of things, which has done the most damage to the image of this country? Which can do the most to harm this country today? Who is ensconced in the hip pocket of big oil, isn't cutting the deficit in half, cutting benefits for vets, pissing on the legs of the middle class, is a whore to corporations? It ain't Jane, just incase you haven't noticed! BTW, I'm not a vet, but that doesn't make me any less an American or to have an opinion on this subject.

[valley]

I'm not a vet but i'll add my opinion anyways, if its ok.

I hate what she did all of those years ago (and also think it was a treasonous act!) but I thought she had apologized or at least expressed regret since then.

That being said, I'm disgusted with the Vet who spit on her. I dont have a lot of respect for Vietnam Vets who spit on US citizens, no matter what they've done. He had no right to carry out such a petty form of revenge like that imo.

[prospect]

Wino, I'm not real happy with Bush either, but not for a lot of you reasons.
Was Bush a draft dodger? I don't think so. Did he use coke? I have no idea. But he sure as hell is making sure there is plenty to go around with the borders being wide open.

The ACLU sure doesn't seem to have any problems getting any dope to watch the Minutemen.

I'm going to be un politically correct and say I support this Marine.

[prospect]

Originally Posted by valley

I'm not a vet but i'll add my opinion anyways, if its ok.

I hate what she did all of those years ago (and also think it was a treasonous act!) but I thought she had apologized or at least expressed regret since then.

That being said, I'm disgusted with the Vet who spit on her. I dont have a lot of respect for Vietnam Vets who spit on US citizens, no matter what they've done. He had no right to carry out such a petty form of revenge like that imo.

What about the Americans who spit of our soldier returning home? But I guess that would be OK in your lex of congress.

[valley]

Originally Posted by prospect

What about the Americans who spit of our soldier returning home?

Please dont jump to such conclusions, Prospect. The Americans who spit on the Vets when they came home were just as wrong. I dont agree with ANYONE who spits on another human being, for ANY reason. There is no justification for it. Its humiliating. Its degrading. Its disrespectful. Its just plain wrong, no matter who is doing the spitting.

[valley]

Originally Posted by prospect

I support this Marine.

Read the Marine Corps code of honor: http://www.usmcpress.com/heritage/corp_values.htm

Honor: Honor requires each Marine to exemplify the ultimate standard in ethical and moral conduct. Honor is many things; honor requires many things. A U.S. Marine must never lie, never cheat, never steal, but that is not enough. Much more is required. Each Marine must cling to an uncompromising code of personal integrity, accountable for his actions and holding others accountable for theirs. And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps.

Do you believe that spitting tobacco juice in the face of a US Citizen shows personal integrity?

[Wino]

Originally Posted by prospect

Wino, I'm not real happy with Bush either, but not for a lot of you reasons.
Was Bush a draft dodger? I don't think so. Did he use coke? I have no idea. But he sure as hell is making sure there is plenty to go around with the borders being wide open.

The ACLU sure doesn't seem to have any problems getting any dope to watch the Minutemen.

I'm going to be un politically correct and say I support this Marine.

While I do not condone the Marine's actions, I can understand the why, and hope he can let it go now, having done his deed. Spitting is much better than killing, IMHO and he easily could have done either.

As to the ACLU smoking dope while watching the Minutemen - I didn't post in that thread as I've been known to partake in a wee bit of weed. But I do question that in fact it was pot they were smoking. I roll my own cigs, using Bugler tobacco (have you bought a pack of cigs lately?)- I get many a weird look when I do this in public (particularly when a cop is nearby) and I'm sure there have been afew that suspected or just KNEW it was weed.

Along the same line, our war on drugs is a lost battle - and I don't blame that on Bush and his open border policies. We've been at it for 30 years and now spending about $30 billion a year on it and haven't made a dent in the availability of illegal drugs - and never will - the money could be better spent elsewhere. Just my humble opinion.
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[prospect]

valley, I agree up to a point. But what this woman did to the POW's back in 71 (I think it was) was help to get more American POW'S killed and beat.

I was in the VA hospital (Hines in Maywood, IL) yesterday. I met a vet (Army) who lost both legs in Nam. He wasn't upset with that Marine.

What ya have to understand is that the Marine Corps has a deep love of country, duty, and honor. I'm not saying the other branches don't have this, Marines are just more fanatical about defending our country. And they don't forget who crossed them.

[prospect]

I don't have a problem with pot smokers, but I do have a problem with groups like the ACLU which pick and choose which laws will be enforced.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by prospect

I don't have a problem with pot smokers, but I do have a problem with groups like the ACLU which pick and choose which laws will be enforced.

..........and you know for fact they were smoking pot?

[linskyjack]

I am not familiar with the crimminal code to know if you can be charged for spitting at someone. If he did, then he should be arrested and prosecuted. I dont care if he won the Medal of Honor, you dont go around spitting at people.

[valley]

Originally Posted by prospect

valley, I agree up to a point.

up to what point? That its wrong to spit in someone else's face?

But what this woman did to the POW's back in 71 (I think it was) was help to get more American POW'S killed and beat.

I know what she did, which is why I think action should have been taken against her back then. But even the law has a statute of limitations, doesnt it? And after 30 years, she may have changed her mind and even felt some guilt for what she did. She was wrong but the law did not see it that way and she has the right as an American Citizen to live in peace now. Let her own conscience accuse her.

I say let sleeping dogs lie.

I was in the VA hospital (Hines in Maywood, IL) yesterday. I met a vet (Army) who lost both legs in Nam. He wasn't upset with that Marine.

why? Did he think it was Fonda's fault that he lost his legs? Maybe his anger is misplaced.

What ya have to understand is that the Marine Corps has a deep love of country, duty, and honor.

He may love his country. But he doesnt love duty or honor if he felt justified in spitting in someone else's face. Marines arent supposed to act what way. What he did is an insult to every Marine out there, imo.

And they don't forget who crossed them.

and this is part of being a Marine, eh? To hold onto hatred for a lifetime until you can seek some sort of revenge?

I just cant agree with it.

[linskyjack]

Valley makes a point--Most Marines I know take pride in their service and would never be involved in such a cowardly act.

[prospect]

valley, and linskyjack. You guys will never understand until you go through any kind of military training. I'm not trying to justify what this former Marine did, I'm just glad he did it. Hanoi Jane is an American in name only.

As far as that vet who lost both legs, I'd like to hear you tell him that to his face. But that's easy to say when you have done nothing for your country and have both legs.


Wino, Where they smoking pot? I'll bet you $20.00 and you can put up you bag of pot, and I bet I will win.