[LANMaster]

UN: Nonexistent WMD Equipment Missing

I don’t get it. How can WMD material be missing from Iraq, when it never really existed? UN: Weapons Equipment Missing in Iraq.

UNITED NATIONS - U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.

U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the U.S.-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to U.N. monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.

In the report to the U.N. Security Council, acting chief weapons inspector Demetrius Perricos said he’s reached no conclusions about who removed the items or where they went. He said it could have been moved elsewhere in Iraq, sold as scrap, melted down or purchased.

He said the missing material can be used for legitimate purposes. “However, they can also be utilized for prohibited purposes if in a good state of repair.”

He said imagery analysts have identified 109 sites that have been emptied of equipment to varying degrees, up from 90 reported in March.

More than a hundred sites! That’s a lot of storage space for something that never existed.

[angelize56]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I don’t get it. How can WMD material be missing from Iraq, when it never really existed?

Yeah..interesting isn't it!

[angelize56]

Maybe Russia has them!

Report: Russia Warns on Space Weapons

NewsMax.com Wires

Friday, June 3, 2005

MOSCOW — Taking aim at the United States, Russia's defense minister Thursday threatened retaliatory steps if any country puts weapons in space and said Moscow won't negotiate controls over tactical nuclear arms with nations that deploy them abroad, Russian media reported.

While he mentioned no country by name, Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov's comments reflected persistent wariness over U.S. intentions, despite arms control deals and increased cooperation between the Cold War foes since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Russia's position on this question has not changed for decades: We are categorically against the militarization of space," the Interfax news agency quoted Ivanov as saying during a visit to the Baikonur space facility in Kazakhstan. "If some state begins to realize such plans, then we doubtless will take adequate retaliatory measures," ITAR-Tass quoted Ivanov as saying.

The comments came as the Bush administration reviews the U.S. space policy doctrine. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said last month the policy review was not considering the militarization of space. But he said U.S. satellites must be protected against new threats that he said have emerged since Washington's space doctrine was last reviewed in 1996.

Moscow's concerns about space-based weapons go back to the Soviet-era space race and President Ronald Reagan's 1980s plans for a "Star Wars" missile defense system.

In 2002, after the United States withdrew from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (search), China and Russia submitted a proposal for a new ban on weapons in outer space.

But the United States has said it sees no need for any new space arms control agreements. It is party to the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which prohibits stationing weapons of mass destruction in space.

Ivanov's comment about negotiating controls over tactical nuclear weapons was also a clear reference to the United States, which has such arms in Europe.

"We are prepared to start talks about tactical nuclear weapons only when all countries possessing them keep these weapons on their own territory," Interfax and ITAR-Tass quoted Ivanov as saying. "Russia stores its tactical nuclear weapons on its own territory, which cannot be said about other countries."

The news agencies said Ivanov was responding to calls by former Sen. Sam Nunn for a Russian-American agreement providing for accountability of each other's tactical nuclear stockpiles, which have not been addressed by a series of treaties reducing strategic nuclear arms.

Nunn, an architect of a major program to secure and destroy nuclear weapons and materials in the former Soviet Union, has called for "transparent accountability" of tactical weapons as a safeguard against nuclear terrorism.

Russia wants to keep its tactical nuclear weapons — and to keep their number secret — to compensate for inferiority in conventional weapons, said Alexander Pikayev, a nuclear expert with the Committee of Scientists for Global Security.

The Bush administration has not publicly called for an agreement on accountability and control over tactical nuclear weapons, which do not threaten U.S. territory, Pikayev said.

However, a hawkish former top Russian military official, Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, said that Washington had tried unsuccessfully to put the issue on the agenda of talks three times in the past, Interfax reported.

Ivashov spoke out strongly against any negotiations on tactical nuclear weapons, saying information about them "is perhaps the only military secret that we have," Interfax reported.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...2/230213.shtml

[Stoner]

LAN, read the article again and then read what you wrote

You said:

How can WMD material be missing from Iraq, when it never really existed?

The article does not address WMD material, it addresses material that could have been used in the manufacture of WMD and appearently other things.
It goes on to missing equipment that also could be used for dual purposes, including the manfacture of WMD.
It also says the UN is being prohibited by the US for doing at site investigations

U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq

The usual WMD twist

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

LAN, read the article again and then read what you wrote

You said:

Originally Posted by me

How can WMD material be missing from Iraq, when it never really existed?

The article does not address WMD material, it addresses material that could have been used in the manufacture of WMD and appearently other things.

The items were banned by the UN. Materials used in the manufacture of WMD. Certain dual purpose items were also banned, which is why the UN had their eyes on these items.

It goes on to missing equipment that also could be used for dual purposes, including the manfacture of WMD.
It also says the UN is being prohibited by the US for doing at site investigations

The usual WMD twist

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

The items were banned by the UN. Materials used in the manufacture of WMD. Certain dual purpose items were also banned, which is why the UN had their eyes on these items.

Appearently not:

the report also provided much more detail about the percentage of items no longer at the places where U.N. inspectors monitored them.

Matter of fact, the article only referrs to the use of these materials potential for "prohibited purposes", not that the materials or the dual purpose equipment were being used in illegal manners. So far, LAN, you have not brought any article to this forum displaying the proof of Bush's claims before the war started.

Nice twist with words, though .....

Just won't swallow that crow, eh

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Stoner

LAN, read the article again and then read what you wrote

You said:
The article does not address WMD material, it addresses material that could have been used in the manufacture of WMD and appearently other things.
It goes on to missing equipment that also could be used for dual purposes, including the manfacture of WMD.
It also says the UN is being prohibited by the US for doing at site investigations





The usual WMD twist

Stoner's right LAN--poisons have industrial use as well!

[Stoner]

Mulder said:

Stoner's right LAN--poisons have industrial use as well!

Very true......... but the point is, no one has found or proven what Bush claimed
So far, almost all that Bush claimed about WMD's and Iraq hasn't panned out.

If I'm incorrect, please post the example/s......and please, LAN, no bloggers

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

and please, LAN, no bloggers

.... So the Associated Press is a blogger?

[Stoner]

Please, LAN.....I've seen you post an unusual amount of content from bloggers that winds up being .......well......distanty truthful (crap)......


The article you started this thread with is interesting, but you spun it.
It came from AP.
So your post is non sequitur

[LANMaster]

That's not spin. It is my opinion.

[Stoner]

LOL!......

Would that be a spun opinion

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Stoner

LOL!......

Would that be a spun opinion

Non sequitur.

[Wino]

They don't make enough lipstick to gloss this pig!

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Stoner

LAN, read the article again and then read what you wrote

You said:
The article does not address WMD material, it addresses material that could have been used in the manufacture of WMD and appearently other things.
It goes on to missing equipment that also could be used for dual purposes, including the manfacture of WMD.
It also says the UN is being prohibited by the US for doing at site investigations





The usual WMD twist

Yup!