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16-Jul-2005, 12:14 PM #1
Al-Qaeda Doesn't Exist or does it?
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/arti...lairadmits.htm

Blair Finally Admits: Al-Qaeda Doesn't Exist

Prison Planet | July 15 2005

Fox: Commenting on the possible role of Al Qaeda, Blair said, "Al Qaeda is not an organization. Al Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach."

Prison Planet Archive - Fake War on Terror

FLASHBACK: Palestinians arrest al-Qaeda 'poseurs'

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16-Jul-2005, 12:15 PM #2
More bizzare conspiracy theory nonsense.
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Post Oh no here we go ,AGAIN!
I'm sorry but I have to,read it ALL LJ!
The CIA definitely funded Usama Bin Laden in the Soviet/Afgan war(When are these poor people going to be left alone?)

Bush's DHS pick Chertoff involved in false flag U.S. state terror: 1993-2001's WTC hits
author: summary
same bloody networks, recycling themselves.


remember the points below about:

[1] 1993's connections to Chertoff being an attorney for an Osama bin LadenTM (i.e,. the cover for the CIA = al-CIAda) terrorism financier MAGDY ELAMIR connected with the 1993 WTC hits and the mosque where the false flagger agents were recruited. Interesting that hardcore rabbi Zionist Chertoff is a defense attorney for a Muslim terrorist, eh? He sure must see some important benefit for his friends, in his view, to support the people involved in terrorism hits on the U.S.

[2] 1999 Project Dimondback connection with MAGDY ELAMIR & CHERTOFF once more, where ELAMIR attempts to get nuclear technology to bin Laden. Despite this, Chertoff makes sure that Elamir AVOIDS ALL CHARGES despite being caught red handed.

[3] Chertoff being THE ONE who let all the 100s of 9-11 connected ZIONIST SPIES LEAVE THE U.S. despite failing their lie detector tests.

In summary, Chertoff a key node from the U.S. self-hit on the WTCs in the 1993 state terrorism to the self-hit in 2001's state terrorism. Watch him.

Be prepared: 9-11 is "not over." Folks we are entering "terra incogRuppert": it is the same U.S. and CIA networks that have hit the WTCs from 1993 to the present, down to us being able to track publicly--with corporate media posts--the same personnel. Ruppert pretends that "9=11" all starts in 2001, when "9-11" has been going on at least since 1993, if you see what I mean.

Bush is unable to defend his choice of Chertoff on ground of security, and only on grounds of a desire for cover-up, since Chertoff has let so many Osama linked terrorists and Mossad operatives go free. Chertoff has even defended terrorists like MAGDY ELAMIR that the government claims have struck against the United States?

Seems that there has always been a ZIONIST/MOSSAD connection to the hits from 1993 WTC hits onward then, for Chertoff to be so keen on covering up for Mossad.
Ex-Attorney General Ashcroft, left, & deputy, Chertoff, terrorist mastermind
Ex-Attorney General Ashcroft, left, & deputy, Chertoff, terrorist mastermind
It is vital that you read and help disseminate the critically important
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Chertoff EXPOSED as Aiding a 911 Terrorist [Chertoff exposed as a defense
lawyer for Osama bin Laden financier, shields him in 9-11 investigation]


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[1] CHERTOFF DEFENDS BIN LADEN FINANCIER IN 1993: The Record newspaper of Bergen County, New Jersey on June 20, 2000 shows that Chertoff defended Magdy Elamir who was sued by the State of New Jersey for $16.7 million dollars in losses. Over $5.7 million went to unknown partiesby means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the beneficial owner of the account is unknown. Who is Elamir Magdy, Chertoffs important client? On the NBC program, Dateline, on August 2, 2002, Rep. Ben Gilman, R-NY, of the House
International Relations Committee was quoted as saying in 1998 that Magdy
Elamir had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years. In fact, Elamir even had strong connections with the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993.

. . .

[2] CHERTOFF RELEASES SAME 1993 CLIENT IN 1999, AFTER CLIENT ATTEMPTS TO GIVE BIN LADEN NUCLEAR MATERIALS: In 1999, Magdy Elamir and his brother Mohammed were named suspects in Operation Diamondback. . .an FBI/ATF undercover infiltration of Pakistani arms dealers who sought to arm Osama bin Laden with conventional and nuclear weapons. According to the testimony of officer Duncan and taped transcripts with FBI informant Randy Glass,
Elamir [defended by Chertoff protected by Chertoff] was a key player in
this operation. According to Dateline NBC Mohammed Elamir tried to purchase small arms and ammunition in a recorded telephone conversation with Glass. Dateline confirmed that Elamir and his corporation had paid at least $5000
to Egyptian arms dealer Diaa Moshen. Moshen was sentenced to 30 months for
his involvement in Operation Diamondback. [However, Elamir goes free
despite equally involved.] Officer Allan Duncan, who was hired as an investigator by families of the September 11 attacks, said that the reason Elamir was never convicted was because ***he was never charged*** with a crime. When Operation Diamondback culminated in arrests in the summer of 2001, Michael Chertoff had become the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the criminal division of the U.S. Justice Department and ***Operation Diamondback was under his authority.*** [thus protects his his ex lawyer client Magdy Elamir from 1993 onward.] Chertoff blocked the indictment of his former client, Magdy Elamir.

[3] CHERTOFF RELEASED THE HUGE PRE-911 MOSSAD SPY RING: Chertoff has also blocked the indictment of other Israeli partisans like himself with ties to 911. Michael Chertoff freed the over 100 members of a huge Israeli spy ring apprehended in the wake of 911, including the Israeli agents who had tapped the telephones and shadowed 911 terrorist leader Mohammed Atta and many of his hijacker team for weeks before the attacks.

[4] CHERTOFF RELEASED THE 5 AGENT 9-11 MOSSAD RING: The FBI also found self-taken photos of very happy Mossad agents grinning and flicking their lighters with the World Trade Center burning in the background. Chertoff also allowed all of the apprehended Israeli spies to return to Israel out of the reach of American investigators.

Indeed, Chertoff's rapid rise was exceptional, but one completely
understandable with the risks of exposure presented in the Israeli spy
ring and involvement in 911. Their man had to be put in very quickly.

Michael Chertoff could not afford the prosecution of Magdy Elamir because
IT WOULD HAVE REVEALED HIS OWN CLOSE CONNECTION TO THIS BIN LADEN SUPPORTER
supporter who was one of the financiers of the 911 attacks.

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If you act quickly the world will know the sordid facts about Michael
Chertoff. I have posted this article. Now it is up to you to saturate the
internet with it until it has a life of its own. Go for it! D.D.

January 23, 2005
Michael Chertoff, Homeland Nominee Aided a 911 Terrorist

As incredible as this news may seem, it has now been revealed that the
nominee of President Bush for the new Secretary of Homeland Security,
Michael Chertoff, has ties with a man suspected of financing the 911
attacks, Dr. Magdy Elamir. There is also convincing evidence that Chertoff
as head of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Justice Department shielded
this financier of 911 from prosecution in a terrorist case.

The Record newspaper of Bergen County, New Jersey on June 20, 2000 shows
that Chertoff defended Magdy Elamir who was sued by the State of New
Jersey for $16.7 million dollars in losses. Over $5.7 million went to
unknown partiesby means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the
beneficial owner of the account is unknown.

Who is Elamir Magdy, Chertoffs important client? On the NBC program,
Dateline, on August 2, 2002, Rep. Ben Gilman, R-NY, of the House
International Relations Committee was quoted as saying in 1998 that Magdy
Elamir had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years.

In fact, Elamir even had strong connections with the first World Trade
Center bombing in 1993.

Magdy Elamir was one of the most important financial supporters of the Al
Salam mosque. The Al Salam mosque was where Omar Abdel-Rahman preached,
the Muslim extremist who was later arrested for his role in the 1993 World
Trade Center bombing. Former New Jersey police officer Allan Duncan said
that The Jersey City area and particularly the Al Salam mosque were
allowed to continue as a major hub of terrorist activity in the United
States. During this period, 1990 to 1994, Chertoff was the U.S. Attorney
for this area, the District of New Jersey. Amazingly, even after this
period, Elamir later became one of Chertoffs most important clients.

In 1999, Magdy Elamir and his brother Mohammed were named suspects in
Operation Diamondback which was an FBI/ATF undercover infiltration of
Pakistani arms dealers who sought to arm Osama bin Laden with conventional
and nuclear weapons. According to the testimony of officer Duncan and
taped transcripts with FBI informant Randy Glass, Elamir was a key player
in this operation. According to Dateline NBC Mohammed Elamir tried to
purchase small arms and ammunition in a recorded telephone conversation
with Glass.

Dateline confirmed that Elamir and his corporation had paid at least $5000
to Egyptian arms dealer Diaa Moshen. Moshen was sentenced to 30 months for
his involvement in Operation Diamondback.

Officer Allan Duncan, who was hired as an investigator by families of the
September 11 attacks, said that the reason Elamir was never convicted was
because he was never charged with a crime. When Operation Diamondback
culminated in arrests in the summer of 2001, Michael Chertoff had become
the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the criminal division of the
U.S. Justice Department and Operation Diamondback was under his authority.

Chertoff blocked the indictment of his former client, Magdy Elamir.

Chertoff has also blocked the indictment of other Israeli partisans like
himself with ties to 911.

In a four part investigative report on the Brit Hume, Fox News program in
December of 2001 it was revealed a huge Israeli Mossad spy team of at
least 100 members had been arrested by the FBI. The Fox News report
revealed that the Israeli spy ring had penetrated FBI, CIA, DEA, U.S.
Attorneys Offices, Federal judges, even military bases. In addition, the
Mossad, through an Israeli company was and is able to monitor all phone
calls made in the United States, including those of law enforcement
agencies. It is known that Israeli drug kingpins in the United States
escaped prosecution because of this penetration.

It also revealed that Mossad agents had closely shadowed the 911 hijackers
for months before 911. They repeatedly failed lie detector tests.

Considering their close monitoring of the hijackers for months, the FBI
agents are quoted as saying, How could they not have known the details of
the 911 attacks. The report suggests that the Israeli Mossad knew the
details of the attacks in advance but did not provide the information to
the United States. In one of its most revealing moments, the Fox News
report quotes an unnamed FBI source saying that for an agent to expose
Israeli spying is career suicide.

Michael Chertoff freed the over 100 members of a huge Israeli spy ring
apprehended in the wake of 911, including the Israeli agents who had
tapped the telephones and shadowed 911 terrorist leader Mohammed Atta and
many of his hijacker team for weeks before the attacks.

Chertoff also freed five Mossad agents who had been arrested and detained
for months by the FBI on the day of the 911 attacks. They had been caught
in New Jersey filming and cheering the 911 attacks on the World Trade
Center. Interestingly enough they were apprehended with large sums of
cash, false passports, and boxcutters (the same devices used in the
hijackings). The FBI also found self-taken photos of very happy Mossad
agents grinning and flicking their lighters with the World Trade Center
burning in the background. Chertoff also allowed all of the apprehended
Israeli spies to return to Israel out of the reach of American
investigators.

Israel and the Jewish supremacists could not afford these revelations of
Israels spying and treachery. They had to put one of their own in position
to protect their interests. They found him in Michael Chertoff.

Michael Chertoff is the son of a rabbi and a long-time radical Zionist and
Jewish supremacist. After the first apprehensions of the massive Israeli
spy ring occurred, this dedicated Zionist was quickly put into the
position of head of the Justice Department Criminal Division.

The United States State Department, Justice Department and Executive
branch is honeycombed with Israeli loyalists. President Bush was and is
surrounded by them. In the popular vernacular they are called Neocons, but
they are simply Jewish supremacists who put the agenda and interests of
Israel over that of the United States. Two of them, Wolfowitz and Perle,
were the chief architects of the Iraq War, a war good for Israel but an
unmitigated disaster for the people of the United States. The Zionist
network has many avenues by which they can get almost any appointment in
government they want. They put him in a position to quash this story of
Israeli treachery, and he in fact did so.

After freeing the Israel spies involved in 911 and other espionage
activities, and despite having never served in the judiciary, Chertoff was
given the high position of a federal judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals
whose jurisdiction includes Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and the
Virgin Islands. After 19 months as judge, President Bush nominated
Chertoff to the position of Secretary of Homeland Security.

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a government advocacy watchdog
agency, has noticed Chertoffs advancement from Assistant Attorney General
of the Department of Justice to Secretary of Homeland Security nominee
over the past four years.

Its an exceptional rise to power, said Fitton.

Indeed, Chertoff's rapid rise was exceptional, but one completely
understandable with the risks of exposure presented in the Israeli spy
ring and involvement in 911. Their man had to be put in very quickly.

Michael Chertoff could not afford the prosecution of Magdy Elamir because
it would have revealed his own close connection to this bin Laden
supporter who was one of the financiers of the 911 attacks.

In 2002, I was speaking all over America and world exposing the Israeli
connections to 911 and the over 140 members of the Israeli spy ring that
was then held in FBI custody. Zionists in the U.S. State Department
attempted to prevent my appearance on a primetime program broadcast over
the worldwide Al-Jazeera network. (Newsweek: Periscope). They failed, and
the program aired to millions around the world and received a tremendous
response. I was offered hundreds of invitations to speak on the matter
before influential organizations, media and groups all over the world.
Within 60 days of my appearance on Al Jazeera, Mr. Chertoff as head the
criminal division of the U.S. Justice Department authorized prosecution
against me on tax and financial matters. This is the same Michael Chertoff
who freed the same Israeli spy ring that I helped to expose!

And now it turns out that Chertoff himself has aided one of the financiers
of bin Laden and the 911 attack! It is also clear that he has obstructed
justice in preventing this terrorists prosecution.

And now, our Jewish-Neocon-dominated government seeks to make a man who
aided one of the 911 terrorists as head of Homeland Security.

Under control of the Jewish supremacists our nations government has gone
insane.

I want to acknowledge that some of my wording and excerpts came from a
superb article Security Risk in The University Star newspaper of Texas
State University. They are credited with the flow chart of the time line
showing Chertoffs involvement with the terror figure and his subsequent
obstruction of justice.

Note: I believe that this story is one of the most shocking and
important ever published on Davidduke.com/ Imagine, the nominee for head
of Homeland Security actually aided one of the men behind he 911 attacks!
Its almost too shocking to be true!

It is vital that you post this article on every forum you can find. Go
to websites that deal with some of these issues and send the article to
pundits, newscasters, commentators, reporters. You can go on the internet
and send a short paragraph on the article to hundreds of opinion leaders
and molders in a few short hours! It is incumbent upon you to do this.
Many commentators and columnists give their email addresses; use them to
send out this vital piece. Other websites in America, Canada, Europe and
the Mideast must also get this information. If you act quickly the world
will know the sordid facts about Michael Chertoff. I have posted this
article. Now it is up to you to saturate the internet with it until it has
a life of its own. Go for it!

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16-Jul-2005, 07:13 PM #4
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I'm sorry but I have to,read it ALL LJ!
Read all that? -- takes too long.

1 - Tony Blair doesn't know everything

2 - "Al-Qaeda" does exist, & will as long as Bin Laden has a few mates

3 - "Al-Qaeda" now also exists as an ideological entity, e.g. a terrorist does something & some commentators characterise it with "in another Al-Qaeda attack, ...". It's become a generic term, like "hooligan".

4 - "Al-Qaeda" --

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16-Jul-2005, 08:03 PM #5
More anti-semitic nonsense.


Israel and the Jewish supremacists could not afford these revelations of
Israels spying and treachery. They had to put one of their own in position
to protect their interests. They found him in Michael Chertoff.

Michael Chertoff is the son of a rabbi and a long-time radical Zionist and
Jewish supremacist. After the first apprehensions of the massive Israeli
spy ring occurred, this dedicated Zionist was quickly put into the
position of head of the Justice Department Criminal Division.

The United States State Department, Justice Department and Executive
branch is honeycombed with Israeli loyalists. President Bush was and is
surrounded by them. In the popular vernacular they are called Neocons, but
they are simply Jewish supremacists who put the agenda and interests of
Israel over that of the United States. Two of them, Wolfowitz and Perle,
were the chief architects of the Iraq War, a war good for Israel but an
unmitigated disaster for the people of the United States. The Zionist
network has many avenues by which they can get almost any appointment in
government they want. They put him in a position to quash this story of
Israeli treachery, and he in fact did so.
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Al Qaeda was created by the CIA, in their offices in Washington D.C., According to Richard Clark in his most recent book. It was created for Saudi Arabia to bankroll Osama bin Laden, through the House of Saud, "in the Afghan war against the Soviet Union during the 1980's and Riyadh and Washington together contributed an estimated $3.5 billion to the mujahideen."


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http://www.propagandamatrix.com/arti...lairadmits.htm

Blair Finally Admits: Al-Qaeda Doesn't Exist

Prison Planet | July 15 2005

Fox: Commenting on the possible role of Al Qaeda, Blair said, "Al Qaeda is not an organization. Al Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach."

Prison Planet Archive - Fake War on Terror

FLASHBACK: Palestinians arrest al-Qaeda 'poseurs'

http://www.prisonplanet.com/
May I ask, what do you think Blair meant by this?

No, al qaeda is not an organisation, or at least it is barely an organisation. Al-qaeda was a small, albeit well-funded, group of Islamic Extremists led by bin Laden. As an organisation it was practically wiped out by the Afghan war.

Today what we see are a large amount of small terrorist groups who share the same philosophy as al-qaeda and similar methods. Many members of these groups trained in Afgahnistan, many in al-qaeda training camps. Their current organisational links to bin laden are negligible if they exist at all.

Is there then a conspiracy? IMO, no. Ever since 911 when al-qaeda became a household name, I have heard many intelligence men and politicians say that al-qaeda should not be considered a terrorise organisation in the conventional sense. Does it mean Islamic Extremism is not a danger? IMO, no, arguably by being a loose conglomeration of groups it is actually more dangerous since there is no "centre" which can be destroyed.

There is the question of why governments have tended to portray Islamic extremism as one organisation. Possibly because they are dumbing down the information for the general public, or possibly because they think that it will scare people more. Personally, I don't know, although the fact that in big public speeches politicians talk of a single organisation, while in more in-depth interiews they tend to make the reality clear, I would guess that the former explanation is more likely.
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Thumbs down Your boring with your racist accusations of others racism!
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More anti-semitic nonsense.....LJ
More pro-zionist rubbish!
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18-Jul-2005, 11:15 AM #10
Wink Conspiracies are all a fantasy, sure they are Virginia.
Gee I don't think the people questioning Al Qaeda on this thread are implying that it doesn't exist as an entity,I'm certainly not saying AQ doesn't exist,I think we are questioning, Who do they serve?,Who really created it?,Do they (AQ operatives) know who they are really working for?Is it really Osama pulling the strings(sometimes or everytime or not at all)?Are some terror acts purported to be AQ really AQ or "False Flag, black Ops" with a convenient scapegoat? As to many statements are made that attribute this and that to AQ they seem like the "Scarlet Pimpernel" (certainly al-Zaqawi & Bin Laden are elusive like the "Pimpernel"),but if they have evidence of cells,activity,etc,in other words the implication is what is said is true because we say it is, but as its security sensitive we can't tell you the details , yet despite bravado and bragging of how much they know about AQ, AQ still manages to thwart them, either AQ is way smarter than they think and they are fooling the west with Disinformation and out playing the west in the spy game or the west is BSing and is clueless and doomed to failure or the west is "false flagging" a`la much of history to create a climate of fear to control the masses or exactly the scenario of Orwells 1984 perpetual war and terror to control the people from the "enemy", which is really Big Brother bombing his own people to control them with fear, so a small ruling elite can pursue an extravegant lifestyle, like the world is right now!
You can call me naive all you want,I am a cynic and skeptic and I believe I see this happening in our times and believe that people who fail to see this or accept the real possibility that this is standard behaviour throughout history are in fact the naive and blinkered people.
and once again from my signature,what do you think Disraeli is saying/means by this quote,a Brit PM telling you straight up there are shadowy elitists ruling (economically )from behind the scenes,conspiring!....
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes"........Benjamin Disraeli (Earl of Beaconsfield)
Prime Minister Great Britain February 1874 - April 1880 .

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Think about what the current situation, or 911, would be if this hadnít happened.
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but why would saddam nuke us?

i saw picture of rumsfeld shake hands with saddam maybe in 1985?after israel did that

usa smooched with saddam
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2 questions...

How can Al-Qaeda NOT exist after we know exactly what they did to the US?

What happened to G-man, if I'm allowed to ask?
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but why would saddam nuke us?
Where is the largest concentration of Jews in the world ??
Where is their center of commerce ??
Where was the worlds bartering Gold stored ??

Could he not kill two birds with one nuke and get even for Kuwait, at the Twin Towers ??

Now, Who wants control of Iraq the most Ö US or the terrorists ??
And - Why ??
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