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22-Sep-2005, 01:20 PM #1
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Secular bid to teach the Bible

By Margaret Talev -- Bee Washington Bureau

Thursday, September 22, 2005

WASHINGTON - A group called the Bible Literacy Project today is unveiling a 392-page textbook called "The Bible and Its Influence," which its members hope will be embraced by English, history and social studies teachers and form the basis of elective high school courses across the country.
The project's founder is an investment banker from a powerful family that has long-standing ties to President Bush's family and a history of religious activism.

But the textbook is a secular effort to educate young Americans, many of whom know so little about a work so central to Western civilization that they cannot grasp basic references in literature, music and art to David and Goliath, Moses, or concepts such as forbidden fruit and the Adam's apple.
New York investment banker Chuck Stetson, who established the Bible Literacy Project, spent years consulting with educators, publishers, Christian and Jewish leaders, and First Amendment experts, and studying polling of students and teachers, to come up with a text that could withstand legal scrutiny and find wide academic acceptance.

Stetson said in a telephone interview Wednesday that his aim is to fill a vacuum caused by what he considers educators' overreaction to a 1963 Supreme Court decision that declared unconstitutional the assigning of Bible readings and recitation of the Lord's Prayer in schools.

"Sixty percent of Americans want to see the Bible taught in literature, history or English classes. Eight or nine percent of the public schools do it," Stetson said. "There are over 1,300 documented biblical allusions in Shakespeare. If kids don't understand the biblical allusions, they don't understand Shakespeare."

Many educators, parents and historians share his concerns. A Gallup Poll last year found only about half of teens knew the story of Jesus turning water into wine, and close to one in 10 didn't know what the Easter holiday observes.

In 1999, Stetson's group teamed with the First Amendment Center to release a guide on how to teach aspects of the Bible in public schools without violating the constitutional separation of church and state. That joint venture won endorsements from groups representing Muslims, Jews and evangelical Christians, as well as the National School Boards Association and the liberal advocacy group People For the American Way.

Charles Haynes, a senior scholar with the First Amendment Center who has reviewed the new textbook and who also worked with Stetson's group to develop the teaching guide six years ago, said Wednesday of the textbook, "I believe this really upholds the First Amendment and is sound educationally."

Haynes said there is no Bible textbook in print by a national textbook company, and that while several schools in states including North Carolina, Florida, Texas and California offer Bible or world religion classes as electives, teachers rely on a hodgepodge of materials and states often don't keep track of what's being taught.

The Bible Literacy Project is self-publishing 10,000 copies of "The Bible and Its Influence," a fairly small printing that will allow its editors to seek input and make adjustments before printing a larger number of copies.

In California, high school students can take a social science course titled Comparative World Religions, provided it is offered at their campus. The course introduces students to the basic tenets of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism, according to the California Department of Education.

While the state Board of Education approves all textbooks for use in grades K-8, high school textbooks are selected at the district level and must adhere to the California content standards, which spell out what students should learn at each grade level.

If a school or teacher wants to introduce a textbook into the curriculum, it has to be formally proposed at the district level, said Maria Lopez, spokeswoman for the Sacramento City Unified School District.

The district would then put out a request for proposals from textbook publishers; a committee of teachers and administrators would pare the offerings down to those that are aligned with content standards.

The textbooks would then be used in select classrooms on a trial basis so that students could give feedback on factors including readability, completeness and cultural relevance. Teachers would then submit written evaluations to the textbook selection committee and public comment would be solicited.

If approved by the committee, it would then go to the school board for formal approval, Lopez said.

Jim Joiner, president of the Roseville Joint Union High School District, said their process is similar.

A teacher committee is in charge of vetting proposed textbooks before presenting them to the board for consideration, he said.

Stetson, 59, a father of three grown children, is an Episcopalian who is registered as an independent voter.

He has been a campaign donor to Bush, however, and he is chairman of the board of an organization that advocates "released time" programs through which parents send their public-school children off-campus during the school day for religious instruction.

Stetson's father, Charles P. Stetson, who died in 2002, was a Christian conservative who supported candidates including Alan Keyes and Gary Bauer. Chuck Stetson's grandfather was the corporate giant Eugene W. Stetson, who made his fortune with Coca-Cola, the railroads and J.P. Morgan, and was a banking colleague of the president's grandfather, Prescott Bush.

Stetson said neither his group nor its textbook is advocating the teaching in public schools of intelligent design as an alternative to evolution.

"There are other people fighting that battle," he said. "We want to move from battleground to common ground."

"I differentiate between knowledge and belief," Stetson said. "Knowledge belongs in school. Belief is appropriate in the home and other places, but not in schools."
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22-Sep-2005, 01:22 PM #2
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The project's founder is an investment banker from a powerful family that has long-standing ties to President Bush's family and a history of religious activism.
It's doomed!
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22-Sep-2005, 01:24 PM #3
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Secular bid to teach the Bible

By Margaret Talev -- Bee Washington Bureau

Thursday, September 22, 2005

WASHINGTON - A group called the Bible Literacy Project today is unveiling a 392-page textbook called "The Bible and Its Influence," which its members hope will be embraced by English, history and social studies teachers and form the basis of elective high school courses across the country.
A very important key principle there -- I have no problem with this.
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Seriously poochee...it would be a lovely idea...but you know anything good for our children involving religion is pooh-poohed by some bigwigs or the ACLU steps in and ruins it all...government is intent on taking God out of everything they can....it's a shame! Of course that's my opinion as a Christian!
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22-Sep-2005, 01:48 PM #5
I agree with CB, 'elective' is the key.
Could do a lot of good.



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"I differentiate between knowledge and belief," Stetson said. "Knowledge belongs in school. Belief is appropriate in the home and other places, but not in schools."
Sounds like a reasonable person...

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22-Sep-2005, 01:49 PM #6
Honestly i lean against teaching the Bible in public school. Should a random teacher teach my child math, english, US History, etc. ok fine but IMHO the Bible is way too intimate and important (yes more important than the former subjects i mentioned). It should be taught at home and fostered by a church of choice.

I don't think that the Bible should or even could be properly taught in a "matter of factly" manner.

Of course a private religious school would be a different story, i wouldn't have reason to complain if my child were being taught Baptist beliefs in a Baptist school.
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Seriously poochee...it would be a lovely idea...but you know anything good for our children involving religion is pooh-poohed by some bigwigs or the ACLU steps in and ruins it all...government is intent on taking God out of everything they can....it's a shame! Of course that's my opinion as a Christian!
I'd like to vote on some issues instead of having a politician speak for me all the time.

It will be interesting to see how this one goes.
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I'd like to vote on some issues instead of having a politician speak for me all the time.

It will be interesting to see how this one goes.
I am for school vouchers.
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poochee: It could be worse...what if all politicians were atheists!
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Honestly i lean against teaching the Bible in public school. Should a random teacher teach my child math, english, US History, etc. ok fine but IMHO the Bible is way too intimate and important (yes more important than the former subjects i mentioned). It should be taught at home and fostered by a church of choice.

I don't think that the Bible should or even could be properly taught in a "matter of factly" manner.

Of course a private religious school would be a different story, i wouldn't have reason to complain if my child were being taught Baptist beliefs in a Baptist school.
I now what you are saying but another thing to remember here is the Bible has a Spiritual side but it is also Very Historical. I agree that it should be taught as an Elective especially in today's society However the Spirtual side should be the Church and Families of that Student.
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I now what you are saying but another thing to remember here is the Bible has a Spiritual side but it is also Very Historical. I agree that it should be taught as an Elective especially in today's society However the Spirtual side should be the Church and Families of that Student.
understood but let me ask you What is the most important historical FACT about Jesus Christ?
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understood but let me ask you What is the most important historical FACT about Jesus Christ?
Of course the Birth, Death, and Resurrection!!! IMHO of course. However the Historical Facts in the Old Testament are amazing. It still and always will serve as a History Book.
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I am for school vouchers.
Me To..

But then what do we do with all the heathens?

Lock em up?
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