[slickoe]

Originally Posted by Infidel_Kastro

Hmm, I guess we could into a huge debate on the hippie influence on music, but I am sleepy, and WOW, I didn't even have to smoke weed. Ironically, with the exception of CST, I wouldn't classify the as "hippie" music, lest you leave out Joan Baez and the rest of the suck bands. I think most would classify hendrix,Santana, and Pink Floyd, especially Hendrix, of bringing the electric guitar and amplifiers into a new genre.

Hendrix and Floyd were notorious acidheads, and Santana was a daily potsmoker. Hippies all.

[sglv]

Originally Posted by Infidel_Kastro

I wouldn't call it nonsense. What I was trying to do was perhaps point out the hypocrisy and uselesness of the hippie movement as it pertains to do, and the correlation that the mind-set of the sixties has done great harm to the US today.

Things Hippies Have Done to Benefit Mankind
1. Tie-dye
2. Shown us the greatness of patchouli.
hmm, thats all i got.

I don't think the hippie movement was useless. It had its drawbacks as every generation does, but they taught us that we can protest - - before that the last serious protest was suffragettes. They taught us that we, collectively, can make a difference. Tie-dye was pretty cool too. Even though the men's clothing was absolutely atrocious, I have to believe the guys really "dug" those miniskirts and "short shorts." They even had commercials - Nair "Who wears short shorts ~ we wear short shorts!" I was too young to protest (thank God!) but my parents' friends did (my dad was more beatnik than hippie). But to this day I don't eat grapes and didn't realize why until I watched a PBS show on Chavez and it clicked, we didn't buy grapes, I remember those signs protesting the "Mexican" labor and the slave wages, etc. Kind of all fell into place. Suffragettes tried to starve themselves to death in prison, so did Chavez. Personally, I wouldn't do that, but don't disrespect them because they did.

We went from free love (which was over and done with by the time I was old enough to even think about), to AIDS, which was "God's punishment on gay people and those who are promiscuous," to acceptance that we are definitely responsible for our own bodies and, therefore, if we choose to play ~ we may definitely pay. Doesn't matter if you're male/female, everyone can be a "victim."

So it may have been a necessary part of our country. We went from extreme liberal views and it seems we're getting close to extreme conservative views (don't have a problem with this since my 13 yo daughter thinks if you have sex before you're married makes you a slut and my son thinks women is bars is absolutely disgraceful and would never date such a woman). I did not teach them this and I honestly have no idea where these opinions come from, but I tend to believe that it's that whole circle of life thing; however, I have no intention of discouraging this viewpoint. I've also noticed this viewpoint from some of our younger employees at our firm. Personally, I'm rather surprised, but not upset.

[combsdon]

Originally Posted by Infidel_Kastro

and the correlation that the mind-set of the sixties has done great harm to the US today.

..........the 60's can't begin to compare with the 90's as far as harm to the USA...........

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Infidel_Kastro

Was listening to the Pugs and Kelly show today http://www.pugsandkellylive.com/ and heard an interesting discussion. One of the hosts Pugs, made the statement that Hippies were the reason that this country has gone pot becuase they took this hippie mentality which is based on idealism and little responsibilty, and as they got older, took thses ideals to Washington, where it fostered into what we have today. Pugs even said his Mom was a big hippies, and doesn't hate them, but rather is disgusted on the results of this, even questioning what good did hippies really do? The one caller, a female nurse, said if it were not for Hippies, there would be no free love, to which he retorted that the Romans were far better at hedonsim than the hippies could ever be, and that for the most part, they attributed really nothing of importance, although accepting that there could be an influence on art, although saying would give credence that hip-hop also influences art.
As I was lsitening, I chuckled to myself, as he stated that Clinton was a perfect example of what happens when Hippies get intop office.
Thoughts?

Linsky, Xico, bassetman, Schwartz, combsdon--need I go on? Hippies--a 60's word for "liberals." They still don't contribute anything of any importance. All they do is whine and complain and rarely is there a rational thought.

[bassetman]

Originally Posted by Infidel_Kastro

Was listening to the Pugs and Kelly show today http://www.pugsandkellylive.com/ and heard an interesting discussion. One of the hosts Pugs, made the statement that Hippies were the reason that this country has gone pot becuase they took this hippie mentality which is based on idealism and little responsibilty, and as they got older, took thses ideals to Washington, where it fostered into what we have today. Pugs even said his Mom was a big hippies, and doesn't hate them, but rather is disgusted on the results of this, even questioning what good did hippies really do? The one caller, a female nurse, said if it were not for Hippies, there would be no free love, to which he retorted that the Romans were far better at hedonsim than the hippies could ever be, and that for the most part, they attributed really nothing of importance, although accepting that there could be an influence on art, although saying would give credence that hip-hop also influences art.
As I was lsitening, I chuckled to myself, as he stated that Clinton was a perfect example of what happens when Hippies get intop office.
Thoughts?

Go Cheney yourself!!

[slickoe]

Mulder-weapon of mass generalization!

[bassetman]

Hehe!

[A_erised]

Other things that came out of the 'hippie' generation include, but are not limited to,
The belief that spanking a child is abuse.
The safety of speaking up when someone is sexually molesting you.
Tampon, and sanitary pad ads.
The protest generation made it possible for small interest group causes to become more globally known.
Folk music, Joan Baez defintely of that mind set. but some of that generation were the mellow side of life, some the out on the edge of extreme.
That was the period of time when the farms began vanishing with greater

Many more but those are a few. I did not buy into any one type or philosophy.

[Space Cowboy]

I liked the hippies or Freaks as we used to call them.

Sex, Drugs, Peace, Love, and Rock and Roll.. Ahh those were the day's

Ole Chong (Leo) on that 70's show is hilarious.

To bad they all turned out like Mulder

[pauly007usa]

Don't know how this mess got started and don't really care, but just wanted to add my 2 cents. Take it from somebody’s whose fought two wars for the U.S. and has served and is still serving as a police officer detective Lt. in a major city for 28 years. It has nothing to do with the Jane Fonda's of the country this time. It's the incompetent moron in the White House, who surely will go down in history as the worse ever, that's caused this mess.
and ....... it will get worse before it gets better !

[iltos]

wow....reading this thread, it sounds much more like the backlash against what everybody is catagorizing as the "hippie movement" is why this country is going to pot

imo, slickjoe is the only one who's even close.....

those who are blaming the hippies for everything seem to be the same ones who make such a big deal about "personal responsibility"

get over it..it's our world now...it doesn't belong to a bunch of idealistic kids who wanted something different....it belongs to us...if you want something different, maybe you need to take some responsbility for that way it is.

[jiml8]

Originally Posted by A_erised

Other things that came out of the 'hippie' generation include, but are not limited to,

The belief that spanking a child is abuse.

The LOONY belief that spanking a child is abuse

The safety of speaking up when someone is sexually molesting you.

along with the LOONY belief that "children don't lie" about such things, and the LOONY belief that "men are beasts; if accused they must be guilty."

Tampon, and sanitary pad ads.

This is a victory for corporate marketing, not for hippies or liberalism.

The protest generation made it possible for small interest group causes to become more globally known.

Technology. Which came first; the need to protest or the means to get the word out?

Folk music, Joan Baez defintely of that mind set. but some of that generation were the mellow side of life, some the out on the edge of extreme.

Folk music is very cool, so long as you don't take it seriously.

[Infidel_Kastro]

How about when the Hippies got to Washington, it was the beginning of a strong entitlement/welfare system that has gone amok today because these same Hippies decided to "lend your neighbor hand", which really meant that we feel sorry for you, so here's so money instead of making people live up to thier self-worth.
Not everyone will agree, duh, this is CD, just trying to get conversation going.

[Infidel_Kastro]

Originally Posted by pauly007usa

Don't know how this mess got started and don't really care, but just wanted to add my 2 cents. Take it from somebody’s whose fought two wars for the U.S. and has served and is still serving as a police officer detective Lt. in a major city for 28 years. It has nothing to do with the Jane Fonda's of the country this time. It's the incompetent moron in the White House, who surely will go down in history as the worse ever, that's caused this mess.
and ....... it will get worse before it gets better !

Hmm, so GWB is solely responsible for bringing the US down in 6 years? Give me break, atop your whining.
Next thing you know, you'll tell em that he is solelt responsible for hurricanse too.
BTW, it is best to determine Presidents being the "best/worst" after they leave office less they lead us into a new Golden Age and then you look stupid for saying something.

[TooBad]

Didn't you know, GWB was responsible for the great potato famine in Ireland, the black plague and dishwater hands!