[firestormer]

Who is the worlds greatest leader, past and present.

Eg. Adolf Hitler sure he was misguided but he still managed to get a whole country under his power and nearly ruled the world.

Who do you think?

By the way. Utter the name 'Bush' and find you will find youself burried in so much critisim youll suffocate

[alex_holker]

Originally Posted by firestormer

By the way. Utter the name 'Bush' and find you will find youself burried in so much critisim youll suffocate

You say this after giving Hitler as an example.

[Gibble]

Originally Posted by alex_holker

You say this after giving Hitler as an example.

yeah, well, he allready cited the KKK and Bush as dark times in american's history

I agree with the KKK...but how can you put Bush on the same level as them?

[columbo]

but how can you put Bush on the same level as them?

Agreed. Bush IS a smirking little "fortunate son" man-chimp, but he isn't exactly burning crosses on the front lawns of Black households across the U.S.

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by firestormer

Who is the worlds greatest leader, past and present.

Eg. Adolf Hitler sure he was misguided but he still managed to get a whole country under his power and nearly ruled the world.

Who do you think?

How about Alexander the Great, Ghenghis Khan, Napoleon, Charlamagne...
They didn't [ab]almost[/b] rule the world, they did rule it.

[WarC]

I'd have to give 'ole Genghis Khan the nod for "greatest leader". He united the tribes of the steppes and then set in motion an empire the world has never seen since. He did that through sheer brutality and smart management. He was an excellent tactician and organized his military in ways which modern armies still study today.

...he conquered half the known world and had the age's best and brightest European/Arab nations scrambling for ways to beat him. Yet he was born a poor sheepherder in far off Mongolia.

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Hitler is another guy for which I always argue was a "great leader"...Not in the sense of being good or admirable, because greatness is not necessarily goodness. Just by his history and what he did, at a time when Germany was in a deep economic depression.

A disgruntled painter with radical ideas and the right charisma to present it to the beleagured German people post WW1, rises to the pinnacle of power in his country and reforms basically everything about it to suit his image. He turned around the German economy, employed many, ordered the construction of the Autobahn (of which the US interstate system is based), pioneered the creation of Volkswagon, and then nearly succeeded in wiping out an entire race of people for the sake of his insane social engineering projects. Not to mention the fact that he conquered almost all of Europe by 1942.

Hitler had an immense impact on the history of human civilization. His actions and the war it created are responsible for, among other things, the UN and its creation of Israel as 'reimbursement' for the Holocaust...Which of course is at the root of a lot of the problems we are dealing with in the Middle East today.

[steppenwolf]

i wanted to start a thread here on that usa politicians etc? are morons

like what have they ever invented? what books have they written?

when have they ever tried to get bills though congress that let people like nikoli tesla inventions to be used? or the water driven auto?

in fact these people i heard were threatened to stop the inventions by unknown pieces of more trash probably hired by some evil politicians

alex jones in on radio internet radio now saying a lot of our politicians are into occult crap -such nonesense

www.prisonplanet.com

[Gibble]

Originally Posted by steppenwolf

i wanted to srat a thread here on that usa politicians etc? are morons

like what have they ever invented? what books have they written?

when have they ver tryed to get bills though congress that let people like nikoli teslas inventions to be used? or the water driven ato?

in fact these people i heard were threatened to stop the inventions by unknown pieces of more trash proabbly hired by some evil politicians

But...at least they can spell and form coherent sentences...normally

[steppenwolf]

i edited it

[Gibble]

Originally Posted by steppenwolf

i edited it

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by WarC

Ghenghis...
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Hitler is another guy for which I always argue was a "great leader"...Not in the sense of being good or admirable, because greatness is not necessarily goodness. Just by his history and what he did, at a time when Germany was in a deep economic depression.

A disgruntled painter with radical ideas and the right charisma to present it to the beleagured German people post WW1, rises to the pinnacle of power in his country and reforms basically everything about it to suit his image. He turned around the German economy, employed many, ordered the construction of the Autobahn (of which the US interstate system is based), pioneered the creation of Volkswagon, and then nearly succeeded in wiping out an entire race of people for the sake of his insane social engineering projects. Not to mention the fact that he conquered almost all of Europe by 1942.

Hitler had an immense impact on the history of human civilization. His actions and the war it created are responsible for, among other things, the UN and its creation of Israel as 'reimbursement' for the Holocaust...Which of course is at the root of a lot of the problems we are dealing with in the Middle East today.

Come to think of it, I completely left out Ghandi, a man who freed a nation of 1 Billion people by ..... sitting down. A great Leader, a great cause, a great accomplishment, and a fantastic method of achieving the desired result. Which reminds me of Mandela, Thoreau, and Mohammed. Can't leave them out.

A lot more than those geniuses have graced this planet - too bad that most of us don't care. And lucky for those of us who do

[steppenwolf]

geronimo of the apaches was great,cheif jospeph of the nez pierce great,sitting bullor was he a medice man?
ataturk did great things for turkey,jefferson davis was great and a nice guy pretty much i think-the south constution was just like usa one almost only better

napolean was great in a sense but insane i think and greedy

goerge washington was great maybe in some ways and king george the third was great i think too

i havent read the hsitory of all these places so who knows

some scandinavians kings ok maybe or viking leaders possibly

what about china?

[BanditFlyer]

China appears to have a history similar to Poland, in that few of it's great rulers were actually Chinese - Ghenghis Khan and Khublai Khan are probably the best known leaders of China, and neither was Chinese.

Gilgamesh and his brother Enkidu - for the few of you who are REALLY into adventure stories.

[steppenwolf]

the name of book?amazon link?

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by steppenwolf

the name of book?amazon link?

The Epic of Gilgamesh???
Or maybe it was the Bhagavad Gita???

You'd probably have a better chance finding it on ibiblio.org or one of those other open-source-due-to-expired-copyright-book-websites than on Amazon.

Nevermind, I found it: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...ilgamesh&hl=en